1jzgte V Rb25det

[TTT]

lets have a civil debate about this and try to think outside the RB world.

both an R33 series 1, 1.5 or 2 can be had for about $15K

manual soarers are now around $15K also.

r33 gtst weighs what.. 1390kg?

soarer weighs 1530kg with 10L of fuel and empty boot and no spare. (found this on a web site)

both come with LSD and a tough 5 speed box.

skyline = 187kw

soarer = 206kw (apparently)

both inline 6's that like to rev.

RB's have oil control problems in extreme conditions.

1jz doesn't seem that have that.

1jz has a toyota tough bottom end which cops a fair bit more than the rb does before quiting.

1jz head is designed by yamaha and is seen as an upgrade for the 2jz 3L bottom end (so it's pretty damn good)

not sure on stock 1/4 mile times on either car.

now..

the weight (and I guess possibly looks) is the downside of the big toyota.

and I'm not sure how much more power it needs to make the same 1/4 time as an r33 gtst.

I'm sure there is some sort of calculation.

anyway, I'm assuming this is going to be a one sided arguement on this forum but some people might take off there stove top glasses and look outside to see there are other things around..

lets get some decent posts here as to why you think one is better than the other.

I hazard a guess that about 90% or more of the skylines here never see a drag strip or circuit so they are pretty much street only.

so does the soarer then win over the r33?

does the extra power and torque of the 1jz win over the more nimble r33 with less power and torque?

discuss

[KamikazeR33]

actually the non vvt ones are 185kw and the vvt ones are 206kw

[KamikazeR33]

vvt is from 97 onwards (96-97 somewhere round that)

[RBFIRE]

Manual SOARER?

Do they come in Manual?

never seen 1!

My friend has a Cressida with 1jz in it, its a soarer engine, it goes hard, but then again, wasnt hard as my previous 300zx stock power wise, bit similar to skyline!

so if a 1jz in a soarer with that much of weigh. hmmmm...skyline would have had it.

I assumed soarer is heavier than Cressida?

[thommo]

from what i know (please correct me if you disagree)

turbos in the 1jz will handle ~16psi reliably

turbo in the rb25 will handle ~12psi reliably

1jz stock bottom end will handle in excess of 300kw

rb25 stock bottom end limit is around 280-300

for very similar mods, you will extract more power from the toyota and it will be stronger, although 1jz in an auto soarer isn't particularly inspiring in my opinion. but in manual chaser format...

as much as i love nissans, you gotta respect the strength of the toyota.

having said all that, if given the choice of a soarer or a skyline, i'd take the skyline any day of the week.

continue debate

[TTT]

not sure about the turbo's.. they are also ceramic exhaust wheel'd.

didn't know that they were 185kw in non vvt form..

will research that..

[TTT]

well that didn't take long.

first link in google searching for "1jzgte specs"

http://www.speedtoys.com/~marcel/ta23/1jzgte/1jzgte.html

seems the non vvt are 206kw

[KamikazeR33]

yep they sure are 185kw

the non turbo 2jz is 165kw

the stock rb25 bottom end can handle over 300rwkws reliably. as always it comes down to tuning. if ur tuning isnt right well of course something is gonna blow

[KamikazeR33]

trust me its 185kw. it even says it in a catalogue from toyota

[TTT]

link please.

[KamikazeR33]

lol i saw it a few yrs ago

[Konrad]

no way, non vvt 1jz's have always been 206kw - any number of HPI issues will say this...the vvt version has more torque and probably more power but not quoted due to the 206kw gentlemens agreement between the manufacturers for max power in japan

I testdrove an auto 1j soarer when looking at a r33, the soarers more of a cruiser - its super quiet inside, a/c is excellent, visability great, really comfortable ride, the auto was fantastic, and seemed to have a higher build quality than the nissan BUT the skylines feel more livelier - eg: brakes and steering feel muddy with the soarer, and they have friggin massive doors- must weigh like 200kgs each!! I was also disappointed in the 1jz but i think if it lost the auto and the 1600 or so kg it had to tow around it would be a great car. No comment on the manual as i didn't drive one but from memory when driven right they run a 14.0 sec quarter so thats quicker than a stock r33 manual by a long shot.

Manual soarers dont have the great skyline 5 speed, but the r154a isn't a bad box, and i believe the lsd in the soarers is hell expensive to replace if things go bad. Oh and brakes are smaller than the r33 (2 piston fronts, single piston rears i think????)

[KamikazeR33]

the difference is that the non vvt was tt n the vvt is a single turbo unit

[TTT]

http://www.lextreme.com/1jzgtel.htm

http://www.toysport.com/webpages/Techinfo/...taenginenew.htm

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_info.php?products_id=687

all say 280ps 206kw...

and your info is from you saying "trust me"

please post a link of some sort for proof.

[Konrad]

the difference is that the non vvt was tt n the vvt is a single turbo unit

we know that... they were both rated at the same power i'm sure of it. As gts says please post a link??

[KamikazeR33]

yeah i swear i saw it was 185kw.... hmm oh well

everywhere im reading now says 206 aswell... meh

[TTT]

now that's sorted, lets get back to the discussion..

Thanks Konrad for your info.

anyone else with experience in a soarer TT manual?

[paulr33]

i dont think you can compare them against each other, the engines possibly, the cars no. the arguement of oil related problems in the RB really only applies to track cars, how many rbs that are street driven within normal power outputs have failures due to oil starvation/flow in the head?

the skyline is an agile young go getter sportscar with fairly nice handling, power, response, brakes, box, interior and great looks. overall good sorted package

the soarer is an auto (most likely) powerful but lazy grandpa couch car. its luxurious and has tons of crap inside. its also much larger and heavier. it would handle i expect like a boat.

the skyline would nail it (i would expect)

[predator]

1jz-gte no doubt in my mind.

but they are not in a nibble car.. therefore R32 gts-t for the win.

I'd considered a 1jz-gte into an r32 .. but too much stuffing around.

GTST - you fail to point out that manual soarers are very rare, maybe 1 in 20 are manual. Its not really applicable to talk about something that is not that readily available.

[TTT]

a quick car car sales search will find a few manual soarers...

not as many skylines but still.. around the $15K mark.