R34 Gtt Factory Immobiliser – Any Good?

[Haxorz]

I just got myself a nice R34 and I want to secure it.

I’ve got my mind made up on a good alarm and immobiliser.

I’ve just been speaking with a respected security expert who tells me the security on the S15 amazing. He said it features NATS (Nissan Anti Theft System) which is almost bulletproof. He said it’s like smartlock on the Fords. Adding anything extra to these systems is simply a waste in his view.

He doesn’t however know what the security is like on the R34’s.

Does anyone know what it’s like? Does the R34’s feature NATS? If so, I don’t want to waste a good $750 on adding another system (or worse, stuff up the existing security system).

Has anyone had a R34 stolen with factory security (not a mate of a mates sisters dog, a real example)?

My just car insurance premium came in damn low. This indicated to me not many are stolen…

Edited August 30, 2006 by McCracken

[raz0r$harP.UK]

If you're required to have an Australian-standards approved immobiliser in your car for insurance, you'll need to install something as the factory system is not certified.

NATS is a 'fairly' effective system but I wouldn't rely on it as the one and only security system in my car. I dunno if it's on the R34s but it's not too difficult to work around it.

[Busky2k]

The S15 came with NATS v2 where as the S14 came with NATS. NATS 2 would ID the driver key via RF before it allowed the ECU to start the car. The original NATS was not like that at all.

I'm not sure if the R34 came with NATS 2 but I wouldnt be suprised if it did. Its still not a proper alarm with a shock sensor though. With either NATS you could bust a window, jump on the car or whatever and it wouldnt set off the alarm. Only if a door/boot/hood was opened, then it would go off.

Thats my concern with factory immobilisers so it cant help to get microwave/shock sensing type alarms.

[R34GTX]

I am very happy with the Brant Nemesis that features a 6 point system. Includes tilt sensor stopping wheel thieves and also internal movement sensors for broken windows and the like. Only down side is it's not a cheap $$ system. Around $1100 about 15 months ago. This also inlcuded auto windows up on arming.

But I think my car is worth the extra $$

My 2cents

Cheers

The S15 came with NATS v2 where as the S14 came with NATS. NATS 2 would ID the driver key via RF before it allowed the ECU to start the car. The original NATS was not like that at all.

I'm not sure if the R34 came with NATS 2 but I wouldnt be suprised if it did. Its still not a proper alarm with a shock sensor though. With either NATS you could bust a window, jump on the car or whatever and it wouldnt set off the alarm. Only if a door/boot/hood was opened, then it would go off.

Thats my concern with factory immobilisers so it cant help to get microwave/shock sensing type alarms.

[Haxorz]

The S15 came with NATS v2 where as the S14 came with NATS. NATS 2 would ID the driver key via RF before it allowed the ECU to start the car. The original NATS was not like that at all.

I'm not sure if the R34 came with NATS 2 but I wouldnt be suprised if it did. Its still not a proper alarm with a shock sensor though. With either NATS you could bust a window, jump on the car or whatever and it wouldnt set off the alarm. Only if a door/boot/hood was opened, then it would go off.

Thats my concern with factory immobilisers so it cant help to get microwave/shock sensing type alarms.

So NATS includes an alarm? I certainly can’t see a speaker. How would I set it off if it did?

Is there anything I can check to see if it has NATS?

My R34 key is pretty chunky (as if it had a chip or whatever). I only have one as well and if I lose this I think I’ll be stuffed!

I wonder if I should get a key cut and try to start the car with this key. That should prove that the key has something in it.

[Busky2k]

The NATS system uses the stock horns as the siren. To set it off, sit in the car and lock the doors and wait for at least 30 seconds and then its armed. (Do you have a "Security" LED light that flashes?) After this, just unlock the car with ur finger and open the door. It should go off.

The S14 NATS v1 keys were slim and definitely weren't chipped. I think you might be right that your key may be chipped. Get one cut and it'll be interseting to find out. NB: Dont have the original key anywhere near the car though!

[Chris Rogers]

all of the 34's I have worked on had smartentry (as do s2 33's ) but not an immobilser system (or transponder setup as in the s14,14a,15) 14a had a full alarm that worked on entry only (that said I could add -and did- a shock sensor to the system )

would be interested to see the follows photos pls.

key barrel straight on

key head -

top shot showing head

blade to key head

that will tell me for certain what you have

what model is your car? (34 obviously.) ECR34 or something else.

give me that info and I'll tell you what and if you have it. pretty certian you do not.

[Haxorz]

No worries, will take photos tomorrow and post.

In the meantime - does anyone think it worth going a microwave sensor over a shock sensor? Would having a shock sensor only mean that I'd come back to a car with a stuffed lock and dented door? Or would they they test for a shock sensor first before proceeding?

[CNBLOW]

34 doesnt have NATS, its just a lock unlock module in the car, to prove it, i had a spare key cut, that key could unlock the doors and start the car no problem after being locked with the original remote

U need an aftermarket system in there

[Busky2k]

Damn that sux! AM alarm it is then!

[Haxorz]

Sorry mate, wasn't exactly sure on what angles you were after however here are a few shots.

[Chris Rogers]

nope std 34 keyless entry. no chip.

in regard to the microwave vs shock - shock. microwave will be played with to no avail. shock will warn off first then sound.

to do it properly- shock,glass break,tilt. car will not move without something setting it off. to be paranoid - GSM paging/quiktrak.

[Haxorz]

So, out of all the adds on on this page: http://www.mongoose.com.au/accessories/?category_id=14

You'd go:

Glass Break

Shock

Tilt

I'm also thinking of a pair of these: http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=LA5255

116dB Screamers from Jaycar

From what it sounds in practical use that microwave and ultrasonic will cause too many false alarms.

What does everyone else think? I'm thinking the FM transmitter is a bit of a waste of $ as well?

[Chris Rogers]

So, out of all the adds on on this page: http://www.mongoose.com.au/accessories/?category_id=14

You'd go:

Glass Break

Shock

Tilt

I'm also thinking of a pair of these: http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=LA5255

116dB Screamers from Jaycar

From what it sounds in practical use that microwave and ultrasonic will cause too many false alarms.

What does everyone else think? I'm thinking the FM transmitter is a bit of a waste of $ as well?

yep. the screamers I would do 3 myself.