cops..

[Brody]

ah yeh...man i feel for u hard....i got jacked by an undercover,

peak speed for 36k over (yes i know but still, big industrial st) didn't even notice the speed...he gave me a ticket for 30 and over....as u know thats now 3months, and ures in 6months with a 1.5k fine....

[Guest FlyGuy]

If you have already lost your lisence recently just assume you'll get busted for it. The cops don't need any evidence, they can estimate. The more experienced a traffic police officer is, the better there assumption will stand up in court.

The police officer doesn't need to be at court, if you've been handed a ticket the judge does the rest.

There is no way out :bahaha:

I've been through this so many times I just say now oh well I don't care. I've lost my lisence twice and currently have one point left :bahaha:

[benm]

ALWAYSSSS get out of your car and insist on seeing the speed reading (its on an electronic gadget on their dashboard).

If they say now just piss on either of their legs, if they yeah sure then u know your up sh1t creak without a paddle.

[nissaner]

benm, what if i already got a ticket ? (i didn't get out of my car and checked the radar...)

[benm]

Up sh1t creek without a paddle with massive tidal waves and no safety vest.

[nissaner]

does it cost money to go to court (without a lawyer) ?

is it even worth trying?? or am i just wasting my time and money?

[benm]

Personally I think your wasting your time these days. Their are so many hidden flaws in the court/police system that its not worth the time money and hassles.

[Majanal]

Have to agree with Benm... honestly John... were you speeding? if you were then you have to accept this. like many have said before... there are places to speed and they are not on a public road. If you really think that you were not speeding then take it to court.

It is bad news to here however and I hope everything turns out ok for you.

[nissaner]

[nissaner]

what happened in the first case?

[Lenno]

correct me if i'm wrong anyone...if an officer incorrectly fills out a speeding ticket which in this case he did because he didnt state the speed u were doing, it deems it invalid ???, and also the cops cant do u with out a radar unless u admit u were speeding...i got done overtaking an unmarked cop 4wd on my cbr250rr 1 week before i got my r33...it was a 40 zone and he reckoned i was doin about 140 .... hehehe took them bout 10 kays to catch me with backup, i didnt even know he was after me till a paddy wagon nearly ran me over when i was stopped at the lights minding my own business, anyway 3 cops in the 4wd all givin me shit tryin to get me to admit it...nah mate..i was doin 40, anyway they gave me a warning and if it wasnt for that i wouldnt have my skyline woke me up a lot !!, but sometimes not enough...

[nissaner]

does anyone know of a good lawyer dealing these kind of matters? i would like to spend few hundred bux b4 going all the way to the court and lose the case....

thanks for ur help...

[swoop]

John, here's the deal. When a cop pulls you over for speeding, he has to have proof of your speed. The first thing you should have asked is, "Can I please see the radar reading". If he produces the radar reading, then you are creamed. If they refuse, then that means they have no proof.

Not many people win in court but if you decide to go to court, here is my advice.

1. Firstly do you have a perfect driving record and is this your first offense. If the answer is "NO" then you might have to do a few extra hours down at Webstation to save up for the fine.

2. If you do have a clean record, then what you should do is pay the fine first, then disputed with a letter or go to court, emphasising your perfect driving record and you strongly belief that you were not speeding. Tell them it was the GTR that was 200m in front of you that was speeding but you got cought in the radar range. Otherwise you are just delaying the invevitable.

[Merli]

Bad advice there, sorry Swoop.

It CLEARLY says NOT to pay the fine if you intend on contesting it. Paying the fine is an admission of guilt, and they won't give you the time of day after you have already given them your money.

DO NOT PAY THE FINE IF YOU INTEND TO CONTEST THE TICKET.

From what I've read, you *were* speeding, and you got caught.. I think you should suck it up and take it like a man........ but then again, 6 months is a loooooooong time to be banned from driving, so perhaps it's worth contesting the ticket.

[ultim8DTM5]

Originally posted by swoop

John, here's the deal. When a cop pulls you over for speeding, he has to have proof of your speed. The first thing you should have asked is, "Can I please see the radar reading". If he produces the radar reading, then you are creamed. If they refuse, then that means they have no proof.

Not many people win in court but if you decide to go to court, here is my advice.

Exactly, if you ask to see the speed they have to show you, if not then it will come down to the adversary system.

[nissaner]

i found out that if i am convicted by a court, my fine will be incresed to $2200 (my friend went to rta and found a brocher stating this...) prolli not worth the time and money with my not-perfectly-clean record....

but still, do you know any lawyers specializing in these matters?

thank you for ur inputs guys...

[Merli]

Just to clarify things:

If you choose to have the matter heard in court, there are several possible outcomes.

1. The judge finds you guilty. You pay your fine, to the value originally stated, plus $55 (or thereabouts) court fees.

2. The judge finds you innocent. You don't pay a cent, and the incident gets struck from your driving record completely.

3. The judge gives you a "Section 10", which is basically you will pay the fine to the value originally stated, plus court fees, but no points will be lost, and the incident will not be recorded on your driving record.

4. You are able to plea the penalty down... In this instance, instead of losing 6 points, and a $1515 fine, you can plead it down to $1000 fine, and 3 points off your licence... (I'm not sure about this one, lawyers say it never happens, I know of people who claim it has happened to them)

5. If you are convicted by a court for speeding, the maximum penalty they can apply is $2200 (regardless of what the original fine was), but this option is rarely taken by a judge... BUT, in this case of speeding 50km/h over the posted limit, I believe there is a good chance of the judge raising the fine if you are found guilty.

[Kinks]

I am pretty sure they can book you without having to show you the radar reading. Can anyone confirm that? What happens when they have one cop pinging traffic and another 500m down the road pulling people over? Does the cop have to jog it down just because you asked to see a radar reading?

What's to stop a cop pinging someone at 10km/h over and then just say "oh, you were doing 10km/h over, so were you, so were you" by leaving the hold value on.

If you're difficult about it and fire up with the "you can't book me unless you show me the radar reading" then they'll only make your life harder. I believe that's an americanism because americans are so obsessed with their "rights".

If however you genuinely don't believe you were doing that speed, say so politely and see how you go. Worst case the cop's a hard case and you go to court.

[nissaner]

thanks for the info andrew...

yeah , i am afraid that the result will be number5...

5. If you are convicted by a court for speeding, the maximum penalty they can apply is $2200 (regardless of what the original fine was), but this option is rarely taken by a judge... BUT, in this case of speeding 50km/h over the posted limit, I believe there is a good chance of the judge raising the fine if you are found guilty.

thats why i want to ask a lawyer about possilble outcome b4 i go all the way to court...

so, for the third time, anyone know of a lawyer that treats these matters?? should i contact rta to give me some contacts?

[swoop]

Originally posted by Merli

Bad advice there, sorry Swoop.

It CLEARLY says NOT to pay the fine if you intend on contesting it. Paying the fine is an admission of guilt, and they won't give you the time of day after you have already given them your money.

DO NOT PAY THE FINE IF YOU INTEND TO CONTEST THE TICKET.

From what I've read, you *were* speeding, and you got caught.. I think you should suck it up and take it like a man........ but then again, 6 months is a loooooooong time to be banned from driving, so perhaps it's worth contesting the ticket.

Merli, it may be bad advice but it is by the book. If you read at the bottom of any speeding ticket or parking fine, it actually says to pay your fine then dispute. That is the only reason why I said that...I personally wouldn't do it myself but sometimes if you play by the book, they might be a bit more lenient than usual.