Supersize Me. Cost To Upsize To A Large?

[qikstagea]

I remember reading somewhere in these forums this simple equation, relating to dollars and power-

25DET + $10k = RB26DETT

26DETT + $5k = 300awkw

how accurate is this? stasis did you test an rsfour before getting your autech? much difference?

im thinking it may be more economical to sell my 25det, buy a gtr half cut, and go from there. bear in mind, id love to change it to a manual, which wouldnt be cheap to do by itself anyway.

What could i get for my engine, with turbo and side mount and all ancillaries and gearbox? and would what i get for my engine plus $5k cover a gtr half cut from a REPUTABLE dealer? and do half cuts come with BRAKES!?

i figure why spend $10k on a 25 over a year or two, when you can sell it and step up to a 26? anyone else thought about this?

Edited May 12, 2006 by qikstagea

[Tangles]

going on from this, can a RB26DETT mate up to the standard auto, somehow????

dont mean to hijack the thread, just interested in that info, thats all! (too tall for manual Stageas)!

Edited May 12, 2006 by Tangles

[qikstagea]

well the standard auto mates up to the atessa awd, so you could be forgiven for assuming so.

im looking to adopt the manual box though.

[stasis]

I remember reading somewhere in these forums this simple equation, relating to dollars and power-

25DET + $10k = RB26DETT

26DETT + $5k = 300awkw

how accurate is this? stasis did you test an rsfour before getting your autech? much difference?

im thinking it may be more economical to sell my 25det, buy a gtr half cut, and go from there. bear in mind, id love to change it to a manual, which wouldnt be cheap to do by itself anyway.

What could i get for my engine, with turbo and side mount and all ancillaries and gearbox? and would what i get for my engine plus $5k cover a gtr half cut from a REPUTABLE dealer? and do half cuts come with BRAKES!?

i figure why spend $10k on a 25 over a year or two, when you can sell it and step up to a 26? anyone else thought about this?

ERRR!!! good question. I didnt test drove any stageas before i bought the 260rs though. . I assume that having the 260rs and sink in 10k equals super dupre beast!!! The reason why i got the autech is if i want to get 1000hp like those crazy japs i could or easy on the 500hp. My theory is always go for the bigger one if not on when you want to upgrade or anything you cant.

As for engine swap, by the time you screw around with it i think its better to sell your 25s and buy an autech ver. Then if you are power freak, you can play it all till 1000hp.

Its good to know that i can have that option to upgrade next time . at least thats my opnion

[AlexCim]

id do that, but you are buying an old engine that will need a rebuild most likely.

[qikstagea]

As for engine swap, by the time you screw around with it i think its better to sell your 25s and buy an autech ver. Then if you are power freak, you can play it all till 1000hp.

haha sure ill just run that one past the minister of finance and war - fiance. "but serena i want TWO turbos!" theres a thread about actually doing this, im just try to ascertain if it a more viable option than working the 25.

[MANWHOR3]

I reckon it depends on whether you can do the work yourself.

See, I thought about it this way:

highflow cat - 250

airfilter - 100

intercooler - 1000

front/dump - 400 (batmbl)

powerfc - 1k

tune - 600

fuel pressure reg - 120

injectors - 800

turbo - 1950 for a highflow.

this adds up to about $6200 provided that you can do all the work yourself.

plus if you want a manual conversion, that's another 2k on top of that, so it's 8200.

On the other hand, i've seen gtr front cuts go for less than that. Assuming that you can get a good condition motor, it won't need a rebuild. should handle 300+ rwkw easy.

I hear you say the motor will be shit and blow up. well, a stock rb25 is imited to about 250 rwkw on the stock motor. so if you want more, you'll need a rebuild anyway. So I figure why not just drop in an rb26 and rebuild that and go for more power.

[stasis]

I reckon it depends on whether you can do the work yourself.

See, I thought about it this way:

highflow cat - 250

airfilter - 100

intercooler - 1000

front/dump - 400 (batmbl)

powerfc - 1k

tune - 600

fuel pressure reg - 120

injectors - 800

turbo - 1950 for a highflow.

this adds up to about $6200 provided that you can do all the work yourself.

get an autech less headache plug and play

plus if you want a manual conversion, that's another 2k on top of that, so it's 8200.

On the other hand, i've seen gtr front cuts go for less than that. Assuming that you can get a good condition motor, it won't need a rebuild. should handle 300+ rwkw easy.

get an aitech less headache and farking around

I hear you say the motor will be shit and blow up. well, a stock rb25 is imited to about 250 rwkw on the stock motor. so if you want more, you'll need a rebuild anyway. So I figure why not just drop in an rb26 and rebuild that and go for more power.

get an autech less headache

Edited May 12, 2006 by stasis

[qikstagea]

ok but lets just say someone (me) has an rsfour... thats the whole question. whats a top quality autech go for, just as a comparison, Yudy? cos yes its definately another pursuable avenue, its just i cant afford to go out and get one, im 20yrs old, and already paying off one car and a house. The idea is i sell my cressida and HR holden, and go from there.

my rsfour has cost me 19,000 so far, thats including the wheels, front bar and hefty sound system.

i dont mind spending another 8k if thats what it takes to get it where i want, i just want to know the better options.

[darrinspencer]

Lets start with your 8k budget

Add 2.5k to sell your complete RB25 and auto, ecu, airflow meter etc

Thats gives you $10500 to play with

R32 GTR Rb26 and gear box front cut $6500

make sure you get front brakes and FMIC

Power Fc, tune and wiring and fuel pump $2200

Cat back exhaust cheap one $700

Manual centre console $1000

Complete rear diff cradle with brakes, diff and drive shafts $1000

That comes to $11,400 plus maybe a new clutch $300-550

The best way to bring it back to $10,500 is to hunt for a good cut that does not have too much or any damage and that is low Km's

That way you can sell off what is left of the front cut like radiator, a/c cond, suspension, front struts, bare cut etc. As there is plenty of older and cheap GTR's around now, someone is always going to need the these parts. This should get you back below the $10,500 as long as you do the conversion yourself!

Do not be too concerned about the "older" engine blowing up, because a 260RS with 100k on the clock is no better off. Just make sure you check the engine out before you buy and your budget should be achievable.

[stasis]

ok but lets just say someone (me) has an rsfour... thats the whole question. whats a top quality autech go for, just as a comparison, Yudy? cos yes its definately another pursuable avenue, its just i cant afford to go out and get one, im 20yrs old, and already paying off one car and a house. The idea is i sell my cressida and HR holden, and go from there.

my rsfour has cost me 19,000 so far, thats including the wheels, front bar and hefty sound system.

i dont mind spending another 8k if thats what it takes to get it where i want, i just want to know the better options.

qik,

is really hard to say though. For an e.g. i've seen an autech with a grade3.5 cost 26k landed on oz. i got mine for 32k. Someone said on another thread saying that an autech is going between 30-35k tops. But i have seen a few autech going for close to 40k-50k with mods on such as adjustable suspension, EBC, afm exhaust ETC. Now i wouldnt recommend to get a car thats been mod cos you know that the car was most likely been to races and got hammred by the previous owner. OK guys i know what you guys goin to say. But its true though you think about it. MOST PROBABLY NOT ALWAYS!!. Call me a paranoid.

The reason why i got my car was everything was stock std except the oil cap (nismo) pointed out by my younger bro. I made my decision within 24hrs after i first saw the car.

For me spending on mods especially on the looks such as new body kits ETC and souns system is the least of my priority. I rather listen to the sound of the engine and the sound of the "fart vavle" (BOV) is more satisfying i think.

You just gotts to be wise on your spending as well(personal). Think twice before you get anytihing and save . You will be surprised how much money that you are able to save.

Ok enoguh of preaching. Soz about that. How much is your rs 4 worth and your cressida andwatever you got(another car? Total it up pessimistic figure and work from there.

[AlexCim]

I reckon it depends on whether you can do the work yourself.

See, I thought about it this way:

highflow cat - 250

airfilter - 100

intercooler - 1000

front/dump - 400 (batmbl)

powerfc - 1k

tune - 600

fuel pressure reg - 120

injectors - 800

turbo - 1950 for a highflow.

this adds up to about $6200 provided that you can do all the work yourself.

plus if you want a manual conversion, that's another 2k on top of that, so it's 8200.

On the other hand, i've seen gtr front cuts go for less than that. Assuming that you can get a good condition motor, it won't need a rebuild. should handle 300+ rwkw easy.

I hear you say the motor will be shit and blow up. well, a stock rb25 is imited to about 250 rwkw on the stock motor. so if you want more, you'll need a rebuild anyway. So I figure why not just drop in an rb26 and rebuild that and go for more power.

Try 6.5k drive in drive out manual conversion.

There is some R&D into manual conversions currently with hybrid parts, but there is no way they could even end up under 4k without labour. Just the interior on a budget is 1.5k.

[Ska]

I'd say sell them all and buy a 260rs and mod from there.

[stasis]

I'd say sell them all and buy a 260rs and mod from there.

i second that

[qikstagea]

haha well sh*t that pretty well sums that one up.

For sale- light metallic green stagea, nismo front bar, k&n pod, 18x8.5 w/225 rubber, $2k pioneer stereo, etc, with original rims and front bar supplied, $18k. just ticked 60,000kms. mech a1, not a scratch.

see avatar for pic

Edited May 12, 2006 by qikstagea

[CruiseLiner]

ok work out prices...

engine

gearbox

gtr diff and custom length axle on one side (use one gts4 axle on other side)

r33 brembo brakes

r33 handbrake lever assembly

vacuum booster, master cylinder, slave cylinder, pedal box, pedal, console, gearstick surround, etc

clutch to handle decent power

ecu

gtr cooler

now to get any reasonable power for the outlay, u need to ditch the ceramic turbos and go for 2530s or something, plus bigger injectors, fuel pump upgrade, air box/air filter setup to suit. exhuast upgrade, and thats about all i can think of.

i wouldnt buy a r32 engine at all nowdays. go r33 at the least as even they are getting high km's and read around the forums to see how many 100 000km gtr's are being rebuilt.

my stagea with rb26, 5 speed and autronics smc, highflow turbos, twin plate clutch and around 350rwhp (on 18psi, rev limit of 7000rpm to be safe) cost over 40K (No labour costs at all) including the car (which was $18k ) and not including making money back from selling engine and stuff.

go autech anyday of the week, save time, save money and have the real thing. thats from my first hand experience doing the entire conversion myself and not spending 1 cent on labour except dyno tuning (which wasnt in that 40k price)

a manual rb26 stagea is alot different to a auto rb25, and i think its the gearbox selection more than anything. manual is rougher, and auto is smooth as silk in comparision. i wish i kept mine auto and rb25 now for daily use, but thats more the fact of the heavy and noisy twin plate clutch and the rough as hell idle and loud exhuast.

i might be putting mine back to standard rb25 and even auto for daily use and put the rb26 into a track/drift r32 skyline or something.

cheers

Brad

[Terminal]

going on from this, can a RB26DETT mate up to the standard auto, somehow????

dont mean to hijack the thread, just interested in that info, thats all! (too tall for manual Stageas)!

This was discussed earlier. there's no computer with the auto logic that can run the RB26DETT as well.

[qikstagea]

i was actually hoping to get your opinion, having been there and done that. an r33 gtr half cut comes with all those parts, but, right?

thinkin it may be time for a CAR upgrade. time to spruke the stag maybe?

nah. some other time. ill stick with it for now.

[CruiseLiner]

i was actually hoping to get your opinion, having been there and done that. an r33 gtr half cut comes with all those parts, but, right?

thinkin it may be time for a CAR upgrade. time to spruke the stag maybe?

nah. some other time. ill stick with it for now.

u pretty much need a full smashed gtr with everything on the driveline complete, and then bolt everything onto the stagea, not worth it in the long run.

the rb25's can still pull decent numbers, or if u want full on power then dont spend cash on the 25 only to sell it and start again on the rb26.

the old saying " do it once, do it right" thats how i look at it anyways

[qikstagea]

far out not the old sayings... all ive been hearing is "if it aint broken, dont fix it!"

its the quickest car within 20ks of where i am. migh save up. get an autech.