Compak Attak This Sunday 21st May

[Beer Baron]

yeah look at the positive, you ran a PB and just a bees dick off 8 seconds.

man i was devestated when they red lighted you. i was sitting just at the start line and everything seemed cool, you were getting set in the car and then.... redlight. I thought that just in the interest of the fans they would give you some leeway considering it takes some time to get a 9 (or should that be 8) second GTR into stage after a massive crowd pleasing burnout. no body in their right mind wants to see the top qualifier out in the first round. i was going to come and find you afterwards but thought you would have had enough of people coming up to say tough luck. please come back and try again.

[theo]

will be back no problems with that, but next time we will have 8 on board

[Beer Baron]

good to hear. i guess you just have to accept that such is racing. sometimes silly little things just dont go your way.

[2rismo]

I thought that just in the interest of the fans they would give you some leeway considering it takes some time to get a 9 (or should that be 8) second GTR into stage after a massive crowd pleasing burnout.

The rules don't change in the interests of the fans - what kind of crap is that?

Adrian

[Swiper the Fox]

well where do i start. I would like to thank the guy that showed me the video of the red light and i must say that the video shows 16 seconds but that is wsid 4 you. But i am trying to find some footage of my 9.077 @ 156.25. If anyone has some could you please email me

Theo

As you know, Andrew Hawkins has that run on video...but....you know how precious he is on breaking the time code on the tape....did'nt he show you at the end of the day as promised??

[Sydneykid]

I wasn't there, didn't see it and have no association with anyone involved.

But I have seen similar happen before when you race an easy/simple to stage street car against a difficult to stage dedicated drag car that has to go though a pre run routine after a decent sized burn out. It's an old trick and it obviously still works.

Unless the starter is aware of what is going on, it will happen again.

cheers

[Beer Baron]

The rules don't change in the interests of the fans - what kind of crap is that?

Adrian

it's not crap at all mate. i never said change the rules so you mustnt have read my post clearly. considering it's at the starters discretion you would think he would have taken a few things into consideration before manually starting the tree. that's not changing the rules at all. it's called using your noggin in the way you enforce them. dont get me wrong i'm not saying he is some kind of start nazi and that theo was robbed it was a combination of things. his opponent was very quick into stage, he was slow into stage and the starter made a judgement call on when to start the tree. personally i think it was the wrong call.

[MrBlonde]

Fantastic ET and trap for Theo, well done.

Sport Compact racers in general have f**k all racecraft. In fact it's embarassing sometimes to see how clueless we are sometimes in doing simple things like a burnout and staging.

The starter is not going to make allowances for anyone .. he's going to activate the tree on anyone who takes too long to stage. You'll see in in group one races.

And finally, if Adrian had a crew member helping him stage a street car then I will laugh at him very loudly.

[2rismo]

And finally, if Adrian had a crew member helping him stage a street car then I will laugh at him very loudly.

Just putting me in the water properly, mate. Bwaaaahahahahah!!!!

I don't need those specialista, dipping the toe in the staging beam manouveres!

[2rismo]

But I have seen similar happen before when you race an easy/simple to stage street car against a difficult to stage dedicated drag car that has to go though a pre run routine after a decent sized burn out.

Difficult to stage? But it's a street gtr!

[ido09s]

after a massive crowd pleasing burnout.

if i am not mistaken it was the smallest burnout i have ever seen Theo do..... as has been said though, the rule states 10 seconds and as has been said he was given 16 so i guess nobody can complain

[2rismo]

Once I've captured the video, I'll upload the run and you can all decide for yourselves.

[Marlin]

Just putting me in the water properly, mate. Bwaaaahahahahah!!!!

You are kiddin right? You need someone to line you up in the water!!! hahahaha! You never cease to amaze me! For what.... a mid to high 11 second car! Wake up.

[2rismo]

It's ok mate. I'm so happy with the car's consistency after Sunday that I'm impossible to bait with petty, disrespectful comments like that.

Have a lovely day.

Adrian

[88silhouette]

why be there always petty arguments in these drag threads

[2rismo]

I'm confused Beer Baron.

I thought that just in the interest of the fans they would give you some leeway considering it takes some time to get a 9 (or should that be 8) second GTR into stage

and

i never said change the rules so you mustnt have read my post clearly. considering it's at the starters discretion you would think he would have taken a few things into consideration before manually starting the tree. that's not changing the rules at all. it's called using your noggin in the way you enforce them.

You suggested that he should have given the other racer some leeway i.e. extra time to stage "just in the interests of the fans". That's the least fair thing I've heard so far.

Adrian

[Sydneykid]

Sport Compact racers in general have f**k all racecraft. In fact it's embarassing sometimes to see how clueless we are sometimes in doing simple things like a burnout and staging.

How do new guys to drag racing get training in "racecraft"?

Do ANDRA run courses?

Is there a section in the ANDRA manual on "racecraft"?

The starter is not going to make allowances for anyone .. he's going to activate the tree on anyone who takes too long to stage.

Not really the question, 16 seconds is not "too long to stage", I have seen Group 1 cars take 30 to 40 seconds. The problem with the rule is that it is written with the assumption that the 2 cars are equal in their staging requirements. In SC that is obviously not the case. Hence the need for the start line official to look at the cars involved. If one guy is deliberately tardy, then that's is quite different to one who is going through his start line routine.

You'll see in in group one races

True, but's that's with cars of more equal performance and complexity. This was clearly not the case in this instance

The bottom line for me is to look at the intent of the rule, which is to stop someone from gaining an advantage from being tardy in staging (eg; cause the other car to overheat). Was this likely, I don't think so.

cheers

Edited May 22, 2006 by Sydneykid

[2rismo]

Is there a section in the ANDRA manual on "racecraft"?

There is.

The bottom line for me is to look at the intent of the rule, which is to stop someone from gaining an advantage from being tardy in staging (eg; cause the other car to overheat). Was this likely, I don't think so.

There is also an advantage in holding the other car in stage for too long, particularly with automatic transmission cars as Shane has mentioned but also with regular manual cars. Holding the revs at 6000rpm for 15-20 seconds while waiting for someone to stage is enough to throw anyone off. Overheating isn't the only reason to string your competitor out... It's tactics plain and simple. The timing rule is there to stop it getting out of hand.

Watch a couple of rounds of prostock and you'll see how it works - makes for exciting racing when policed correctly.

Adrian

[Beer Baron]

adrian i'm not going to keep repeating myself but if you are confused it's because you drew inferences from my post that were incorrect. You claimed that i had asked they 'change the rules for the fans'. Not true, what i was expressing was that it's my belief that the starter could have looked at all the factors present at that time, and used his discretionary power (which i understand he has) to ensure we had a race. having theo dq'd for being a little tardy to full stage was the lamest result for all involved (the officials, fans, theo etc etc).

you may not care what the fans think either, but without people paying to go and watch your fledgling category will go nowhere fast. they are what make your chosen form motorsport happen. you dont want to end up like some forms of motorsport where the only people there are the ones competing...

[2rismo]

Fair enough mate but one thing you've missed.

having theo dq'd for being a little tardy to full stage was the lamest result for all involved (the officials, fans, theo etc etc)...

Except for the competitor in the other lane who was just sitting there ready to race.

Adrian