Compak Attak This Sunday 21st May

[Sydneykid]

There is also an advantage in holding the other car in stage for too long, particularly with automatic transmission cars as Shane has mentioned but also with regular manual cars. Holding the revs at 6000rpm for 15-20 seconds while waiting for someone to stage is enough to throw anyone off. Overheating isn't the only reason to string your competitor out... It's tactics plain and simple. The timing rule is there to stop it getting out of hand.

Watch a couple of rounds of prostock and you'll see how it works - makes for exciting racing when policed correctly.

Adrian

Hi Adrian, I used "overheating" as an example (engine, gearbox, clutch, torque converter) I could have easily used cooling off the tyres or any number of others. The question is, was the other competitor being dissadvantaged by waiting a handfull of seconds longer? I suspect that the answer was no.

cheers

[2rismo]

I would've been and my car was the MOST similar to Daniel's there on the day.

Adrian

[Beer Baron]

Fair enough mate but one thing you've missed.

having theo dq'd for being a little tardy to full stage was the lamest result for all involved (the officials, fans, theo etc etc)...

Except for the competitor in the other lane who was just sitting there ready to race.

Adrian

yeah that is true, he didn't really do anything wrong. so shouldnt be peanlised. it's a tough one.

hehe i said penal.

[2rismo]

hehe i said penal.

ROFL!

[theo]

has anyone got video to post of the 9.0 run please do so

Theo

[2rismo]

I'll check my footage later theo. I think dad got it.

[BezerkR32]

The funniest thing about this whole incident was that Daniel didnt even realise what was going on, he was concentrating on staging his car, when he did so he waited for Theo. He waited two seconds after he had been shown the green light. His RT was 2.0. His crew were screaming at him to go. It was so unintentional.

the guy has only done about 10 PASSES.

Theo's car is possibly out of its depth in SRWD as his car is heavily modified, this will happen again as most of the field are stock or midly modified cars. I agree that it will be better for everyone when the classes are seperated, Otherwise there is always oz mod. I myself raced in an elimination for the first time on sunday and to be honest, i have know idea where the other car was when i staged. Guess its a experience thing.

I really feel for theo, its wrotten. farked.

But we cant blame the starter, cant leave the other guy on the line staged up.

It would have been more sportsmanlike for the other guy to just wait a sec for him to stage up.

i actually recall doing that myself once in the gtr at willowbank. Gave the yoboo v8 driver some time before i went into stage, as he was doing nice big bunrouts for the fans. so it took him longer to get ready and staged.

I could have jumped in and staged up and went through. but its not great sportsmanship.

spewing theo done a 9.0 the 8 would have come...

well done, at least the 8 should come up at willowbank now!

mick

Edited May 23, 2006 by Bezerkly

[benm]

racing is a craft and strategy comes into it. the 20 secnd stage rule has been highlighted time and time again, everyone that straps a helmet on should no this. i heard some one make a comment the other guy should have been courteous to theo to allow him to get onto antilag. full credit to the other guy, he knew the rule and used it to his advantage.

I totally agree, their is as much racing and tactics required before the green light as their is after the green light. Drivers don't go there to run 2nd place they go to win and you have to take any advantage you can get.

Tail-gaiting down the return road and chucking tanty's in front of the crowd is worse for drag racing and less sportsmanlike than going into stage a little bit early.

That had to be the funniest part of the entire day. You snooze, you lose!

[Sydneykid]

Theo's car is possibly out of its depth in SRWD as his car is heavily modified, this will happen again as most of the field are stock or midly modified cars. I agree that it will be better for everyone when the classes are seperated

I see what you mean, but it is a legal SRWD, so it should be allowed to compete in the class that it was built for.

Maybe some grading of the match ups would be a solution

But that's always a problem with elimination rounds

I know the idea is to have the fastest 2 cars face each other at the end of the day

But with the size of SC fields here, it doesn't seem to happen often enough

(just like everyone else, I would love to see side by side 8 sec pass from a pair of Skylines)

"Lucky loser" is always an option for the organisers, leave one spot open in each round, it's not that hard.

We used to have a bit of a chat amongst the crews when there was a big discrepancy between the cars

Especially when it was a rooky driver, it always pays off to let them know what to expect

Hopefully the sportmanship angle isn't totally dead (not that that appears to be a problem in this case)

At the end of the day I still think it comes down to the start line official using his discretion.

cheers

[2rismo]

I know the idea is to have the fastest 2 cars face each other at the end of the day

Umm no it isn't. You know how bracket racing works, right?

"Lucky loser" is always an option for the organisers, leave one spot open in each round, it's not that hard.

It's a lovely idea but not if you're racing in ANDRA rules. Maybe we'll see some of this next year with Ray's deal.

Adrian

[1JZ.747]

for f**k sake.

there is a rule book boys and girls. read the f**king pages. comply to the class and use your brain when stagging and racing. it simple. i am getting so sick of the odd 4 or 5 people who come on here and talk shit about S/RWD, when they dont f**king race in sport compact let alone the class.

the guys who race in S/RWD and are competitive know the rule book and have their own strategies and tactics.

do you see BUSTER whinging no

2RISMO no

TWOOGLE no

ME no

rob barac no

theo no

carlos no

mark jacobsen no

we should do this, we should do that, in circuit racing we do this.

who gives a shit.

i havent seen theo come on here and whinge, in the heat of the moment on the day he got upset, who wouldnt. hes only human. adrian punched the shit out of his steering wheel when his drive shaft let go, i could see from behind him. hes human too, lucky he was inside the car where only a few could see it and he didnt involve another person.

get out on the track and have a go instead of getting on here whinging about the rule book or fairness, whing whinge, the rule book doesnt comply to what i want, whinge whinge. no wonder the wider drag racing community doesnt like sport compact, they see all this whinging shit on the net and take a bad view of us all

lifes not fair, give yourself and upper cut and stop crying like babies, get out there and race.

Shane

Edited May 23, 2006 by 1JZ.747

[Sydneykid]

Umm no it isn't. You know how bracket racing works, right?

It's a lovely idea but not if you're racing in ANDRA rules. Maybe we'll see some of this next year with Ray's deal.

Adrian

Sorry Adrian, I should have added "if everything else is equal", the 2 fastest should meet at the end of the day.

i havent seen theo come on here and whinge, in the heat of the moment on the day he got upset, who wouldnt. hes only human. adrian punched the shit out of his steering wheel when his drive shaft let go, i could see from behind him. hes human too, lucky he was inside the car where only a few could see it and he didnt involve another person.

Common Shane, as for the guys competing not being concerned, who cares? Happy spectators are what the organiser is interested in, they pay the money. So don't ask the guys who compete, ask the spectators what they would have liked to see. What they paid their money for? What will get them back next time? I'll bet you it wasn't Theo copping a red light. Broken cars are something spectators learn to live with, but a red light for not staging as fast as another guy is a different matter altogether.

BTW I don't believe anybody has been whinging, simply pointing out that is was unfortunate, bad for spectators, could have been avoided and that there are possible solutions. That's not whinging, it is simply looking at what went wrong and trying to do better next time. I don't see any difference between that and looking at a aborted run, working out what and why and then making sure it doesn't happen next time.

cheers

[1JZ.747]

is it about the spectators?

do you think i spent $50k on pruchasing and building my car to keep spectators happy

i sure theo and mark, paul and stacey buster, adrian carlos didnt all go and spend a shit load of money to keep spectators happy.

we built cars to race and be competitive, go fast win prize money and be the best on the day.

theo could of come out later in grudge racing to have a go at an 8, i was just as disappointed as the rest he didnt, i set my PB and world record in grudge racing.

racing is about racing, if it attracts spectators thats a bonus.

big brother uncut is there to keep the crowd happy

Edited May 23, 2006 by 1JZ.747

[RNMENC]

I just wanna say what happened was never intential and was just unfortunate as stu said i was sittin at the green light for near on 2 seconds wonder what the f*kc happened, i went there to run a 11 sec pass and i did with slippin clutch thanks to adrian.

I didnt even know the rules or event he 20sec one for that matter ive lucky to have had 20 passes on the track, Its easy to sit here and lay blame 2 days after the event considerin all off u only watched!

Thanks to bezerkly Stu , Nath for the tireless effrort they always put into my car thanks really appreciate it.

to Adrian for his inspirational speeches "JUST WIN" thanks mate plus thanks for lendin me the helmet

P.s ill see u in a final soon so i can beat u hehehe

BUSTER HMMMMM 1 nil muhahahhaha chop chop lol

[Beer Baron]

is it about the spectators?

do you think i spent $50k on pruchasing and building my car to keep spectators happy

we built cars to race and be competitive, go fast win prize money and be the best on the day.

without fans paying money to watch you race you will find your sponsorship and prize money will dry up pretty fast. then you truly will be building cars solely for the fun of it as it will be 100% your own money, and all you will win is some satisfaction at beating your fellow competitor.

and i dont think any of what i posted was whinging. i posted my opinion in a discussion. if you dont agree with it either post a contrary point of you. if you truly cant handle the forum because of me (or whoever) "whinging" then dont read it.

[ECR033]

is it about the spectators?

do you think i spent $50k on pruchasing and building my car to keep spectators happy

i sure theo and mark, paul and stacey buster, adrian carlos didnt all go and spend a shit load of money to keep spectators happy.

we built cars to race and be competitive, go fast win prize money and be the best on the day.

theo could of come out later in grudge racing to have a go at an 8, i was just as disappointed as the rest he didnt, i set my PB and world record in grudge racing.

racing is about racing, if it attracts spectators thats a bonus.

big brother uncut is there to keep the crowd happy

No offense intended mate, but to disregard the role spectators play in our sport is a little short sighted. Having spectators is more than just a 'bonus'...drag racing as it is today would struggle to survive without them.

I understand the point you raise about building your car to race and be fastest on the day, afterall that's what racing is all about. But without spectators, there would be no money in the coffers, no sponsorships, no promoters, no prize money, no motivation for workshops to build race cars to promote their businesses and directly as a result, very little racing.

At the end of the day, it's a self serving prophecy...you need to attract spectators to ensure the sport survives, whilst you need to ensure the sport provides quality racing/entertainment to get bums on seats.

Again, not having a go at anyone, but unfortunately it's not quite as simple as just saying that 'racing is racing'.

Anyway, back on topic, I thought the day was generally pretty good. Great to see some very fast cars out there having a go - Ivan Tesic's torrie was an absolute highlight.

With regard to the Theo incident, whilst it was unfortunate that he got disqualified, I don't think there can be any complaints about the decision. Sure, the other racer could have waited to stage or the starter give some leniency, but at the end of the day, everything that happened was legitimately within the rules, therefore I think it's just one of those unfortunate incidents where someone ends up on the wrong side of the stick so to speak.

[1JZ.747]

without fans paying money to watch you race you will find your sponsorship and prize money will dry up pretty fast. then you truly will be building cars solely for the fun of it as it will be 100% your own money, and all you will win is some satisfaction at beating your fellow competitor.

and i dont think any of what i posted was whinging. i posted my opinion in a discussion. if you dont agree with it either post a contrary point of you. if you truly cant handle the forum because of me (or whoever) "whinging" then dont read it.

i dont have sponsorship BB, i prefer to work for my hard earned money and put that into my car. just as i like to turn my own spanners as much as possible. there more pride in that.

and sponsors couldnt give 2 shits about spectators buddy, if its not televised big sponsorship wont come through. go to an american sportcompact meet, there are basically no spectators, but because its televised, pretty much every competitor in pro street, equivilent version of our sport rwd has sponsorship.

its all about television my friend.

i have built my car 110% soley for the fun and competition, why else would i build it, to cure my sex addiction? being the best guy on the day and taking home the trophy is what its all about.

your post clearly indicates why you sit in the stands, you dont understand the motivation for the guys consistantly qualifying in the top 10 racing.

and i think what you were posting was whinging, hence why i posted my opinion on your whinging. notice how i dont hide behind a internet name, neither does theo or buster or twoogle or 2rismo.

Edited May 23, 2006 by 1JZ.747

[1JZ.747]

No offense intended mate, but to disregard the role spectators play in our sport is a little short sighted. Having spectators is more than just a 'bonus'...drag racing as it is today would struggle to survive without them.

I understand the point you raise about building your car to race and be fastest on the day, afterall that's what racing is all about. But without spectators, there would be no money in the coffers, no sponsorships, no promoters, no prize money, no motivation for workshops to build race cars to promote their businesses and directly as a result, very little racing.

At the end of the day, it's a self serving prophecy...you need to attract spectators to ensure the sport survives, whilst you need to ensure the sport provides quality racing/entertainment to get bums on seats.

Again, not having a go at anyone, but unfortunately it's not quite as simple as just saying that 'racing is racing'.

Anyway, back on topic, I thought the day was generally pretty good. Great to see some very fast cars out there having a go - Ivan Tesic's torrie was an absolute highlight.

With regard to the Theo incident, whilst it was unfortunate that he got disqualified, I don't think there can be any complaints about the decision. Sure, the other racer could have waited to stage or the starter give some leniency, but at the end of the day, everything that happened was legitimately within the rules, therefore I think it's just one of those unfortunate incidents where someone ends up on the wrong side of the stick so to speak.

ECOR33, i agree with some of what you have said, spectators are needed to make the sport financially viable. what i was saying, keeping spectators happy is not the reason we all built our cars. certain people are saying the offical should of let a racer take all day to stage int he interest of the spectator. the racer pays $150 to race and use his strategy to his advantage, the spectator pays what $20 to see some quick passes. again, racing is a craft. the two most consistant racers and their abilities will make the final.

Edited May 23, 2006 by 1JZ.747

[ECR033]

ECOR33, i agree with some of what you have said, spectators are needed to make the sport financially viable. what i was saying, keeping spectators happy is not the reason we all built our cars. certain people are saying the offical should of let a racer take all day to stage int he interest of the spectator. the racer pays $150 to race and use his strategy to his advantage, the spectator pays what $20 to see some quick passes. again, racing is a craft. the two most consistant racers and their abilities will make the final.

Agreed - was just trying to make the point that the sport needs spectators to survive, therefore it's important to keep the interests of spectators front of mind.

At the end of the day, 99% of non-sponsored racers all build their cars for the same reason - it's all about the enjoyment derived from racing (and everything associated with it) and not much else, so no arguments there. Just need to be aware that there's more to the sport than just the racers.

[Sydneykid]

Last time we forgot about the importance of spectators, which meant money for the track owners, we had no track to race on. I'm old enough to remember Castlereagh and what it meant when we didn't have it. Because at the time all we racers cared about was ourselves and our cars.

cheers

PS; just in case there is any doubt, I will repeat that I attach zero blaim to the other competitor.