Anyone driven a supra??

[fatz]

supras r good for burnout

gtr r good for going fast in all conditions

auto tt r just completely shithouse

manuals r once again great for smokin the tyres but not as quick throught the twisties as a gtr

both can make bulk power and both r completely diffrent (its all about what you want)

pete

[NI5MO]

I would have to aggree with Chris on the Interior of both these cars! TT Supra's are awesome thou i don't think i could live with one as the interior makes me want to vomit! no offence

R32's interior is showing it's age too but it's not plastic city and tryhard space age like the Supra

Love the interiors of the late Series RX7's.. anything like that is very nice.

Interior's i don't think will make or break most ppl's descision on a car if performance is all there after, thou i'm sure most ppl have some sort of Asthetic morals!

[inark]

crhis i cant believe u would put the looks of a stock supra over a stock 32 GTR

thats just rubbish... unless u like the awkward look in a car. 32GTR is far more aggressive and proportionate with flowing lines whereas the supra has a thin front end with huge lights and a massive rear end... to me that just doesnt flow right and looks ugly... with the right kit the supras look much nicer... id still never waste my money on one tho.

(but then again thats the reason this is the skyline forum and why my opinions may not suit urs )

like u said tho... theyre two totally different cars

[Guest LoudBlueBMW]

I had a drive of a stock N/A supra around Wakefield park the other day. It didn't feel overly quick, the handling was pretty neutral and it felt heavy. I think if it weighed a hundred kg's less and had the TT engine it would be sweet. I ran one a while back in my BMW, managed to keep the nose in front of him the whole way, i just launched better.

[T0nyGTSt]

I kinda like the Supra TT 6 spd, esp. say a late model with VVTi, four pot brakes. Looks smooth without the spoiler.

My impression is that they are rather heavy, expensive, maintenance heavy machines though with a strong motor.

T.

[Gumby]

Nice report Chris.

Last time the R33 was in for some gearbox work, they gave me a TT 6speed Supra to get around in for about a week.

These things feel to have monstrous low down torque though I felt the feeling was amplified by the fact that it had too low a final drive ratio. 1st gear was almost useless as once you started off, you immediately had to grab 2nd, I found myself using 2nd to 4th to 6th as the ratios were also incredibly close.

Powerfull car in a straight line, 6 speed seems pointless though matched to a motor which seemed to have as wide a torque spread as the Supras motor.

Don't like the interior, looks as though they designed the dash before thinking of what was going on it. Then when they worked out what they needed, found that it wouldn't fill the expanse of plastic so they spread everything out making it look like its using the whole area. Doesn't work, just looks like a waste.

Standard suspension seemed very soft especially in the rear, nice cruiser though. And the traction control was super smooth (unlike the sole smacking CV8s). You'd slip and it would switch to 'snow' and suddenly you felt you were driving a Merc 180.

In summary, was extremely pleased to get back into the R33 and its dead hard dampers and AWD.

[Spada33]

Not sure if this helps but I have a mate with a RZ TT 6sp (totally stock).

My R33 GTST only has turbo back exhaust & poddy. In a str8 line these 2 cars are extremely close and it normally comes down to the driver...

With some basic mods (ie exhaust, boost) this thing will eat me.

[FIL]

i've got a TT Mk3 supra, with the "Limited" spec interior, leather everywhere and digital dash, electric drivers seat... goes pretty well, not quite as good as a TT mk4 (yet), but i reckon it looks a hell of a lot better, both inside and out... and while there are some locally delivered ones available, the Mk3 supras are not as tainted by their atmo cousins as the Mk4's are... :-)

[puckish]

Am I the only one who prefers the steering feel in the R33 over the Supra?

The Supra feels too light and over assited. Otherwise There as nice as a line.

Oh and after working on both.. Prefer Nissans to work on any day.

[jvs007]

me mates got a 98 supra tt with vvti 6 speed, Goez hardd!! especially extra fun with traction control off!!!! raced him with my r32, we were side by side up till fourth, then he slowly got his nose ahead. Mines modified (grade 1 import). his was stock.

me other friend has a NA supra 94 5 speed....not bad, goez ok for a NA.

i think for some reason supra's have one of the nicest sounding exhaust when done right. but the interior to me isn't that good especially for the passenger, i've always said 'the interior is totalling snobbing the passenger!!'

my 2.25 cents worth

jay

[Guest Alfadog]

3 litre straight six... mmmmmm sex

[Xeron]

a n/a supra runs like a 16, maybe a 15 on a good day.

If a gts-t cant beat that ill cry.

[Guest Oz Elitesport]

Thx for the feedback.

I'm too addicted to skylines to ever change to a supra, but they do look tuff. In HPI they said the best 3L engine ever made.

Was side by side with one in sydney on the weekend in the city. We had no room to do anything, but I'm sure I would have been shat on. (If I'm talking like this I think its time for a few more mods).

Oz.

[predator]

My friend has an N/a targa Supra i go in a bit.. hate the interior inside, don't know what they were thinking! I like how you sit down low and it has that sportier feel than a GTS-T.

I think the supras look nice and curvy and they appeal to chicks because of that (thats enuff to convince some).. but to me a 32GTR (or other GTR) has that aggressive edge that just says what it is.. Depends whether you like that true "sports car" look with the sleek curves, or that more muscle edge of a skyline..

handling yer, i would much prefer the skyline, even in my gts-t i'd prefer the handling and i can chuck it around a lot more. Supra handles a bit like a boat.

[memphis]

Well I had a n/a supra, got rid of it for the r33 gts-t

The supra was fairly heavy, but 10x more sportier both in feel and looks. i just wanted a turbo to be honest, got sick of having to tell people my car was n/a hehe

Supra was hard to see out the back of 90% of the time, you had to sorta guess....And it didnt seem like I was in control of it much.

But if I could afford a TT supra...mm yes....I would own one

[rb26dett]

someone once told me stock supra internals could see up to 1000hp. i laughed at him, but dunno if this is true...so can someone tell me if it is??

[GT-Rmgedon]

Up to 400-600kW I reckon on standard internals...dunno bout 1000hp......

However, If ur talking about just the original block (2JZ-GTE) - then yes. Take a look at any of the performance production houses outta Japan. The one that comes to mind is the Supra built by JUN (they have built a few runnin 700-800hp. The one i'm talkin bout is the Yellow one seen in HPI Magazine and a couple of their video's. This beast does around 1000 hp with a stroker kit of a capacity around 3200cc. It sports a T88H-34D set to 1.3bar (a whopping 19psi). Plus a few otha goodies. Get this, peak torque is...1078Nm at 5700rpm! That'd launch almost as hard as an F-18, lol

[Silver-Arrowz]

If I wanted a daily driver I'd take the Supra. It's more comfy and better bottom end power.

[akeenan]

off topic: inark you are going to love japan. every r32 that i have seen has been a gtr.

[mtam22]

I wish people will just stopping trashing the Supra's handling without trying to really understand the car. Granted a stock Supra's suspension setup is soft like a cruiser and its immense torque and frightening straight line capability only amplifies the perception that Supras are tail happy but any owner who has a basic understanding on car handling should know that the situation can be easily remedied with a set of sway bars, stiffer suspension, and a harder locking LSD (TRD clutch types).

Once the suspension is thus sorted, a BPU++ Supra running stock twins can easily outrun GTRs running anything less than a pair of 2530 twins. I'm not just talking about straight line performance, my assertion is equally appcliable to mountain circuits. Why? It's all in the 2JZ's torque. Neither the GTR nor the Supra are featherweights and leaving the 4wd business out of the discussion for the time being (see later), in road races cars at similar power levels should not have a clear advantage over the other in the straights. It is the corners that sorts the good from the not so good. The 2JZ's immense torque allows average drivers like myself to be less precise with keeping the rpm within a narrow range when braking for a corner and be less precise on when to gun the throttle for the exits cos I know it's a pretty flat torque curve from 2,500 onwards. With my R (granted it runs a bloody laggy pair of TD05s but there should be no argument that the RB lacks torque below 4k), I'll have to be a lot more focused on not overbraking before a corner and dropping the rpms out of the sweet zone.

But the GTR is a 4wd hence traction must be better around corners? Undoubtedly, for a professional driver who's taking both cars to 9/10ths of their capabilities, the GTR will be the car to have. In real life situations however, you're really doing very silly things to activate all 4 paws on a GTR around corners. I'm the first to admit I have neither the guts nor the skills to gun the GTR into corners at speed that'll activate the 4wd. Look at your torque meter and notice when it starts to swing. If that's not enough proof read Julian Edgar's article on Autospeed. IMHO, for any driver without substantial track experience, the only advantage of the GTR's 4wd system is on launch. In this department, even my constant 4wd Escort Cosworth with "only" 330hp would win the TT hands down (4.2 sec as compared to a best of 4.7 for the TT).

So why am I bitching like this at the Skyline forum and why don't I just f*off with my TT and crawl back under the stone I came from? I'm by no means trashing the GTR or else I wouldn't be here begging for opinions from knowledgebles like Sydneykid et al on what to do with the R. Is Girl A better than Girl B, pardon my vulgarity, functionally they have the same orifices but you have to assess the whole package and get to appreciate her for who she is. That philosophy applies to cars as well and no one's going to get me to say whether the RX7 is a better car than the Supra, or the GTR a better car than the Cosworth. The 2JZ's long stroke is good for torque but a shit engine to wring rpms beyond 8k. Like CNG says, the 6 speed is an overkill for an engine of this design. In 3rd, the Supra tops out at 140kph and while you snatch for 4th, a similarly powered GTR will shoot past you in 3rd singing happily to 180kph. I'm just venting because I'm tired of hearing people vilifying the credibility of the Supra because of unsubstantiated hearsays. The Supra DESERVES a much better place in history than it's currently afforded outside of the US. May the hearsays RIP and God Bless you'll never hear from me whinging on the same topic again.

Michael