Jamboree 22sept 2006

[2rismo]

I understand, mate but Ray had a sum totla of two SC Championship events that he ran last season which he claims were unsuccessful. Compak Attak, fine. Jambo.....?

I'm not suggesting that Jambo is huge because ANDRA were involved. There's 20 years hard work and promotion that makes events like that happen. That is exactly my point though.

The VW Nationals (or whatever spawned jambo) was not 1 poofteenth the success of J15 in it's first year so why dump Sport Compact after only 2 events?

ANDRA SC was far too easy a scapegoat to blame for the poor turnout at one event in Sydney. Jambo was huge and being part of the SC series didn't hurt it. In fact, in EVERY press release that came out of SCP's email-bag last season, the championship was mentioned as a tool to get people through the door.

Funny how it's good for some things but not others.

Adrian

[gtr660hp]

i would say that track owners & and lack of promoters would have a reasonable amount to do with it.

having said that, i dont feel that ray box has to align himself with andra, if he wants to make money from this and do it his way, well he is australian and he is entitled to do that. i dont think people should get sandy vaginas over him choosing to run another champioship his way.

i think also the lack of racers supporting events has a fair bit to do with it. also the only a hand full of people in SC have sponsoship makes ithard for people to travel, most people running in the V8 side of andrs in super street and higher ranking classes, a high percentage have sponsorship.

and then theres spectators, we get stuff all spectators to our events which also has a fair bit to do with it.

I should have made myself clearer- not pointing blame totally at ANDRA, my point was if there is not unification amonst opposing parties the SC idea will wilt and die. I thought it was supposed to be the next big thing in Champoinship drag racing in Australia-that was the hype for many involved and now its a pathetic 2 round series at one track. Not having Jambo included is like not having the winternationals/nationals included for the V8 boys-very detremental to newish catagory trying to get bigger and better-Id say it will die a natural death real soon unless egos are calmed and people's expertise and resources are combined and not splintered like at the moment.

[2rismo]

Id say it will die a natural death real soon unless egos are calmed and people's expertise and resources are combined and not splintered like at the moment.

Mark, unfortunately I agree with you

Adrian

[gtr660hp]

its frustrating cause i left the V8 world hoping this SC thing would be huge one day. It forces people like myself to sway more towards drift when investing money and sponsorships to promote my business-which is not the direction i wanted to take-drag racing has always been my main area of interest

Edited August 11, 2006 by gtr660hp

[spx25t]

might be of interest looking in the new Autosalon magazine today they have a one page add for Jamboree and on the add is mention of NZ quickest imports and they are showing a picture of the Heat treatments R32

should be good to see at the jamboree

[2rismo]

That and the rotary boys are going nuts for the Puerto Ricans that are coming!

[spx25t]

I am one of those rotary boys too.

the main draw card for me is the rotors.

[chris davey]

I don't really care who runs the championship. I am like 90% odd of the racers out there and don't have the money/sponsorship to travel interstate for a championship. When the SC championship rolls around to my state, I will compete and have fun. That is about all there is to it for me.

The fact that my car actually fits into a class under Ray's rules helps though. He has said that it is all about what is under the bonnet not what the car looks like which I think is a great idea.

ANDRA copying the american SC rules was a good start but I don't think they modified them enough for our country. We don't have the same $$$ so getting a car that is already setup for a v8 is a cheaper way of getting into the sport rather than starting from scratch.

Anyway, I am racing. Hopefully more toyotas racing this year

[BezerkR32]

Thats standard of most skyline owners, i have come to learn over a period of time browsing this forum that there are alot of keyboard drag racers. 20000 members, at least 2000 that claim there cars make big power etc etc but i reckon i can count on my fingers the amount of guys ive seen at a SC meeting. Alot of street racing cowboys. its a shame as it would be good to have full fields and would knock the chip of some peoples shoulders. Passing time slips around instead of dyno sheets. i bet some people would be surprised.

adrian, i was refering to the other evetns from jamboree. jamboree last year was not a success due to ANDRA using it as part of their championship, it was successful because people know it will be good as it has been for years and still go.

sydney events you have to agree get f**k all support from racers, more sport compact cars turn up to a wednesday street meet. look how many people on this forum throw there opinion around about why it doesnt work yet havent put there arse in a car at a local SC event. thats my point.

[ECR033]

Thats standard of most skyline owners, i have come to learn over a period of time browsing this forum that there are alot of keyboard drag racers. 20000 members, at least 2000 that claim there cars make big power etc etc but i reckon i can count on my fingers the amount of guys ive seen at a SC meeting. Alot of street racing cowboys. its a shame as it would be good to have full fields and would knock the chip of some peoples shoulders. Passing time slips around instead of dyno sheets. i bet some people would be surprised.

I think the question that needs to be asked is...

Why aren't the majority of Skyline (or other import) owners with 'big power' cars motivated to enter SC events???

I'm not sure what the exact answer is, but I'd say there's limited incentive to race due to the fact that...

(a) the events are poorly promoted or not promoted to the right audience (both competitors and spectators alike)

(b) competitor field depth is usually poor and crowd numbers are low

© the events themselves are often poorly organised - absolutely nothing runs to schedule and the track is empty for long periods throughout the day

(d) both competitors and spectators feel that don't get their money's worth

(e) a lot of the officials really don't give 2 shits about SC and are just rude and arrogant towards competitors

(f) there's a shitload of arrogance from some of the more seasoned competitors towards newer racers

SC has the opportunity to be huge in this country and the target market (i.e you and me) is already there and just needs to be baited and hooked into the scene. I know it's probably easier said than done, but in reality it shouldn't be...from a street car perspective, take a look at any given Wed night street meet and you'll always see a vast array of different 10-13 sec import racers there every single week.

What's so difficult about promoting SC to this lot and putting SC front of mind and giving them some incentive to race on the weekend??? Hell, give them discounted entry fees and free spectator passes. Perhaps consider, R/T or most improved ET competition's, lots of grudge runs, Make v Make battles etc for the runners who don't make the top 16 fields or any other incentive to compete and make competitors feel like they're getting their money's worth.

Get a quarter of these street meet lot turning up to SC events and you'll easily have +50 car SRWD fields full of decent runners.

Large SRWD, OzMod fields for starters + the usual PRORWD suspects and other classes + lots of entertainment between racing (eg burnouts, stunt bikes, whatever - as long as there's always something happening) = Lots of action = Bums on seats

Bums on seats = exposure for event sponsors and team sponsors/workshops etc = more money coming back into the sport = more events = more incentive for workshops and racers to build new cars etc

It's easy to imagine what SC could be...it can't be that hard to achieve it though can it??? LOL

/end rant/off-topic dribble

[BezerkR32]

I think it might have a bit to do with workshops aswell, i know i encourage customers to run their cars at SC events and Supernats etc, we have a bbq, race etc, all is good. I know other shops like Croydon do the same, always got a few cars running. Just seems alot of owners dont have the same ties or relationship with a workshop, judging by reading the forced induction section most guys try to work on their own cars, and therefore dont really want to make the treck on there own. It is hard to race by yourself. Maybe some incentives for workshops who have a good number of cars running.

[Duncan]

You have to think about how intimidating it is for a new racer who doesn't know anyone or anything about it to turn up on their own at a national championship as well. Things like clubs gettings together/co-ordinating/assisting entries would go a long way.

Except of course SAU NSW can't do that because we are banned from WSID for wanting a refund.

[1JZ.747]

I'm not sure what the exact answer is, but I'd say there's limited incentive to race due to the fact that...

(a) the events are poorly promoted or not promoted to the right audience (both competitors and spectators alike)

(b) competitor field depth is usually poor and crowd numbers are low

© the events themselves are often poorly organised - absolutely nothing runs to schedule and the track is empty for long periods throughout the day

(d) both competitors and spectators feel that don't get their money's worth

(e) a lot of the officials really don't give 2 shits about SC and are just rude and arrogant towards competitors

(f) there's a shitload of arrogance from some of the more seasoned competitors towards newer racers

i wouldnt agree with that actually, and i wouuld consider myself a SC veteran in S/RWD

sydney events, yep they are poorly promoted, QLD ones are not. hence why they get bigger fields.

the last few events were run awesome, they were run like a bracket meeting with a ANDRA or TRack rep for each class that we could ask questions etc and organised our runs.

i feel i get my moneys worth, and i have to pay more than you cause im UDL'd.

ANDRA officals, especially the young guy at sydney knows me by name, he is polite and very helpful getting issues resolved. 90% of the track officals are great to me, i have only had one issue from one of them and he has been dealt with over it. i have found, treat them nice, they treat me nice. i think to many SC guys go there with the attitude they are knuckle draggers and treat them like shit, so you get treated the same way.

arrogance if more seasoned competitors. i would say only one in S/RWD has ever given me attitude and that theo, but hey thats who theo is, he is a competitor and you have to deal with it buddy. not every one in life gets along, instead of taking your bat and ball and going home cause you got picked on my a sponsored driver, get some mojo get out there and beat those type of guys. how many "seasoned" guys finich high in the points, Mark did well. you will get under peoples skin more buyy beating them in a slower car.

end answer

shane

[Swiper the Fox]

You have to think about how intimidating it is for a new racer who doesn't know anyone or anything about it to turn up on their own at a national championship as well. Things like clubs gettings together/co-ordinating/assisting entries would go a long way.

Except of course SAU NSW can't do that because we are banned from WSID for wanting a refund.

Too right Duncan....we have one of the largest forum communities in the country but only a handfull make it to the track for "raceday". Having us all together as a group at the track would probably help a lot of the novice racers, as a lot of the more seasoned campaigners could assist with advice, setting up of cars etc.

What shits me is you have hundreds of racers at "wicked wednesday's" but only a handful of competitors at competition days.

WSID is a definate problem...if you go up to QLD and race its like being on another planet....Willowbank is a stress/attitude free venue that embraces the sport of high-tech drag racing.

[blk180]

I think a lot of people are tuned off by DYO.

If they had a braket type racing would be more fun main problem is, lack of entrys. As a spectator its good seeing the fast car chase down the slower one the frist couple of times but what you want to see is to cars go head to head. brackets of 8,9,low 10sec cars then high 10s,11s last 12,13sec run in the other order but need the numbers frist i guess.

I think people are worried about f*&king up at a big event. I have been to WSID about 3 times in my 180 and never in my GTR. Also wednesday's you can race friends.

Brad

[shanef]

Ill be there. No doubt something WILL break, it will be my first meet like this, so who knows what will happen.

[2rismo]

Willowbank is a stress/attitude free venue

For sure!! The people at WB are awesome and nothing is too much trouble.

that embraces the sport of high-tech drag racing.

Willowbank Track Mgmt - 2 months ago - via email - to me:

"Willowbank Raceway have no intention or desire to run, host or promote ANY ANDRA Sport Compact events in the next year."

Are they so far up one promoters bum-hole that they're scared to run their own S.C. events or do they just genuinely not have a place for us at all???

Adrian

[shanef]

When are we able to sign up for jambo? Also any idea on costing for the event? (first time at jambo, hence the questions)

[Swiper the Fox]

For sure!! The people at WB are awesome and nothing is too much trouble.

Willowbank Track Mgmt - 2 months ago - via email - to me:

"Willowbank Raceway have no intention or desire to run, host or promote ANY ANDRA Sport Compact events in the next year."

Are they so far up one promoters bum-hole that they're scared to run their own S.C. events or do they just genuinely not have a place for us at all???

Adrian

Wasn't talking about some shiny-arse on a management comittee....im talking about the people on the ground there that run the day....all smiles at Willo....all attitude at WSID

[2rismo]

Wasn't talking about some shiny-arse on a management comittee....im talking about the people on the ground there that run the day....all smiles at Willo....all attitude at WSID

For sure!! The people at WB are awesome and nothing is too much trouble.