Rwd Non -turbo ?

[pulsar]

Gooday all, lookin at getting my bum back in a Nissan and need a wagon. Love the looks of the Stagea and I think I want one.

My concerns are fuel consumption on such a heavy vehicle and figured a RWD would be a little more gentle on the wallet.

I'm past the boy racer stage so don't need heaps of power just wat a solid and comfy car to drag my old butt about.

I been through the threads on consumption and figures like 15, 16, 17 and over ltr/100kl make me shake a bit.

Any ideas chaps ?

Anyone got one they want to sell me ?

best

lance

[Ska]

Mine does alright, I regularly get 450-500 per tank, mainly due to the powerfc being down tuned for economy, rather than power. Still has enough grunt to embarrass at times.

$30k and she is yours!

91000k's - Timing Belt has been replaced.

1997 Nissan Stagea RS4

Qld Registration: 018 ITX

VIN Number: 6U900WGNL34024288

Engine Number: RB25221315A

Modification List:

Mongoose Alarm with glass break sensor

R32 GTR manual gearbox w/ Nismo Heavy Duty Gearset and C-West short shift kit

R34 GTR pedal box

R34 GTR clutch master/slave

Apexi PowerFC w/ hand controller

Greddy Profec B Electronic Boost Controller

Hybrid Front Mount Intercooler, with Custom Piping

Splitfire Coils

Gabwagon Adjustable Coilover Suspension

18” rims

Custom 3” Exhaust

Stagea RS260 centre console and handbrake assembly

Pioneer DEH-P6250 head unit

Nismo high-volume R33 GTR fuel pump

Greddy Turbo Timer

K&N Pod Filter

[EGA41T]

Mine does alright, I regularly get 450-500 per tank, mainly due to the powerfc being down tuned for economy, rather than power. Still has enough grunt to embarrass at times.

$30k and she is yours!

91000k's - Timing Belt has been replaced.

1997 Nissan Stagea RS4

Qld Registration: 018 ITX

VIN Number: 6U900WGNL34024288

Engine Number: RB25221315A

Modification List:

Mongoose Alarm with glass break sensor

R32 GTR manual gearbox w/ Nismo Heavy Duty Gearset and C-West short shift kit

R34 GTR pedal box

R34 GTR clutch master/slave

Apexi PowerFC w/ hand controller

Greddy Profec B Electronic Boost Controller

Hybrid Front Mount Intercooler, with Custom Piping

Splitfire Coils

Gabwagon Adjustable Coilover Suspension

18” rims

Custom 3” Exhaust

Stagea RS260 centre console and handbrake assembly

Pioneer DEH-P6250 head unit

Nismo high-volume R33 GTR fuel pump

Greddy Turbo Timer

K&N Pod Filter

sorry to go off topic, but which power fc is in your stag?

or if your not sure, then what numbers are on it?

[AlexCim]

He does not know, its tucked up into the dash.

Tried to ask that a year ago

[Terminal]

you won't find non-turbo stageas in aus, they don't have compliance. you can find rwd ones, but i've yet to see one. better off getting awd, and if you want rwd, pull the front driveshaft and axels out

[toxic]

mine is for sale for 18k

rsfour v

105k's

cooler, exhaust, rims

[Ska]

sorry to go off topic, but which power fc is in your stag?

or if your not sure, then what numbers are on it?

He does not know, its tucked up into the dash.

Tried to ask that a year ago

Yeap, sorry

Maybe if I ever replace my heater core I'll find out, but that aint going to happen anytime soon, not unless someone wants to pay ~$1k for a workshop to do it......

[T0nyGTSt]

In the old days prior to May 2003 there were RWD Stageas being imported.

Under the new system they have to be 4WD.

I prefer RWD as well.

I think however AWD -> RWD is not as easy as just pulling the front shafts?

[AlexCim]

yes, it is

and its not shafts, its shaft. The one that connects the front diff with the transfer case. Its 4 14mm bolts, that is all

[Terminal]

yes but if you want more weight reduction for a RWD, you'd remove the diff & axels

[mcnamg]

In the old days prior to May 2003 there were RWD Stageas being imported.

Under the new system they have to be 4WD.

I prefer RWD as well.

I think however AWD -> RWD is not as easy as just pulling the front shafts?

I think you will find RWD are still eligble but nobody imports them because they are not as popular as AWD

they are still on the SEVS register and definately comply with the power to weight rules (AWD has less than RWD)

here is the sevs page for the Stag http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/sevs/031-02.htm

[pixel8r]

Go 4WD, its not as bad as you may think.

The benefits you get with extra traction in all seasons in my opinion far outweighs any downside.

And correct me if I'm wrong but the way the ATESSA awd system works if varies between full RWD and 50-50 as necessary so its not the same as the constant-4wd systems found on other 4wd cars. But either way you do still have the extra weight of the front diff.

Also, you may think the turbo is overkill but seriously the performance of my S2 Stagea (completely stock) is very close, if only slightly faster than a Ford BA Falcon wagon/sedan. I'd like mine to be a tad quicker but for people like yourself you may find it handy to know what its like in stock form.

Fuel economy may be slightly worse than an equivalent sized wagon (i'll use the BA wagon as an example) on long trips, but city driving should be fairly close. It does depend on driving style, but that goes for all cars.

For example:

Stagea S2 (mine) - city = ~13-14 L/100km, country = 10.7 L/100km (very consistent)

BA Wagon - city = ~12-13 L/100km, country = <10 L/100km (btw dont believe the factory figures from ford. if you want real-world figures, head over to an aussie ford forum and read for yourself - thats what I did when I was looking at the stagea - just for comparison).

And if you want better fuel economy, get an Apexi SAFC-2 installed and tuned and you'll be impressed.

These are very cheap to buy and tune. I plan to get one soon and have worked out it will pay itself off in just 6 months in fuel savings alone.

I'm hoping to lower my fuel consumption to around 11-12 L/100km for city driving and somewhere around or below 10 L/100km for country.

You wont be disappointed with an AWD Turbo Stagea! Trust me!

[qikstagea]

You wont be disappointed with an AWD Turbo Stagea! Trust me!

what he said.

and i dont think the weight of the awd setup would make much difference in a car as heavy as a stagea anyway, would it? as far as fuel consumption goes? drop in the ocean or whatever.

and even so, would only matter if you were constantly slowing down then having to bring all that weight back up to speed again, right? just cruising it wouldnt make much difference...

does anyone know the actual weight diff between an awd and rwd stagea? much in it? 50/50kgs? i have no idea.

[pulsar]

I have to look further into this fellers.

You blokes do make it sound very tempting to get my a..se into one of these.

OK, now I'm not a mechanic so what about someone tells me all about this Apexi SAFC-2 that pixel8tr is getting all excited about.

They are a damn nice car ann't they.

Thanks for all the thoughts and imfo ppl.

best

lance

[AlexCim]

To be fair though, 99% of the guys that give decisive opinions here are in no place to give them, as most of us have only driven AWD stags.

In the grand scheme of things, I think the RWD platform would be more fun for me (personally) due to the oversteer capabilities and yes, a little less weight in general could help.

[jasevr4]

does anyone know the actual weight diff between an awd and rwd stagea? much in it? 50/50kgs? i have no idea.

RS Four V - 1650kg's

25X - 1500kg's

Keep in mind though, the 25X is non turbo, so it's not just AWD vs RWD in the weight factor, it's missing a fmic, turbo, etc.

[Tangles]

In the grand scheme of things, I think the RWD platform would be more fun for me (personally) due to the oversteer capabilities and yes, a little less weight in general could help.

awd is definately safer than rwd..... perhaps alex, just perhaps, the 4wd has 'saved' your life on an occasion and you havent even realized it?

I NEVER want to go back to a rwd or fwd car again - awd all the way for me now. I love it; awd = confidence in grip and handling.

[AlexCim]

weight difference between 4wd and 2wd is commonly about 180kg on skylines.

brendan, awd has probably saved my life a few times yes, but it could have also contributed to nearly killing me a few times too. Speak to you on MSN about what i mean.

in the grand scheme of things, it depends on the kind of person you are i think. I prefer to have the need to improve my skill so that when i need to use my skills (on the limit), they are there for the use.

Ive said it before, if i was to every buy my child a turbo car as a first car, id definatly consider a stagea or GTS4 style car.

The stagea was a good first car to me.

[Tangles]

weight difference between 4wd and 2wd is commonly about 180kg on skylines.

brendan, awd has probably saved my life a few times yes, but it could have also contributed to nearly killing me a few times too. Speak to you on MSN about what i mean.

in the grand scheme of things, it depends on the kind of person you are i think. I prefer to have the need to improve my skill so that when i need to use my skills (on the limit), they are there for the use.

Ive said it before, if i was to every buy my child a turbo car as a first car, id definatly consider a stagea or GTS4 style car.

The stagea was a good first car to me.

I totally understand!

PS - thats why I went the bike route way back in 1997. Wanted to improve my driving skills, as you mentioned, and I felt that was the best way to do so.

edit - I think Id like to add a 50:50 f:r split adjuster for the awd.

Edited June 21, 2006 by Tangles