Next Gt-r Still A Maybe For Australia

[Rezz]

What's the use of it coming out here if we can't afford it anyway.

Theres a guy (with a 997 Carrera S just waiting to trade it in on the next GT-R the moment it comes out) laughing at you right now.

Let's face it ,we are all motor enthausiasts, who love bang for bucks.

This is why the Skyline is so popular.

Not many on here can afford 200K for a car otherwise we would be on the Porsche Forums.

This opinion stands i believe for a majority.

Thats right, a majority that Nissan aren't marketing to. If you can't afford the next GT-R the moment it comes out... then work harder? Play Lotto? Maybe in 20 years time when the 2026 quad turbo V16 BNX72 GT-R comes out you might be able to get one. The plusses far outweigh the minuses if Nissan does bring the next GT-R to AU.

[SS8_Gohan]

[700HP-GTR33]

Hello,

Firstly Rezz I was reffering to people earning under 70,000 a year.

The person wanting the GTR35 to come out to trade in his porsche 997 Carrera is just wishfull thinking

on your behalf. these guys are waiting for the 911 new type ,or base ferrari to come out to trade into.

We are talking about BMW and Mercedes Benz buyer who had a 330c or clk350 who want just that extra

performance and willing to pay 50 to 70K more for a gtr35 that are waiting. They are the ones waiting for a true performance car cause they got no bang for their bucks when they purchased these cars.

So.

"I agree to dis-agree"

But, my gut feeling is it will not have the engineering advancement to keep its "GODZILLA" title.

The debate has just started.

Edited due to F#$K%D grammer

[Rezz]

Hello,

Firstly Rezz I was reffering to people earning under 70,000 a year.

Yeah... and? Nissan market the 350Z to those people. They obviously aren't in the market for the next GT-R.

The person wanting the GTR35 to come out to trade in his porsche 997 Carrera is just wishfull thinking

on your behalf. these guys are waiting for the 911 new type ,or base ferrari to come out to trade into.

Firstly, I used the 997 Porsche owner as an example (whether he exists or not) to make the point that there are lots of people out there *who have the money for a Porsche*, but might consider the next GT-R as an alternative once it's on sale. It happend before when the R32 GT-R was on sale here, and it'll happen again.

Secondly, how can it be wishful thinking? Is it not possible for a Porsche owner to look at the next GT-R as an alternative when it's released??? :confused:

We are talking about BMW and Mercedes Benz buyer who had a 330c or clk350 who want just that extra

performance and willing to pay 50 to 70K more for a gtr35 that are waiting. They are the ones waiting for a true performance car cause they got no bang for their bucks when they purchased these cars.

You can hypothesise about BMW and Merc buyers all you want too, but that all it is: guessing what people will do. You speak for all Merc and BMW owners? Being sure of what people will do come trade in time is wishful thinking on your part.

[700HP-GTR33]

Hello there,

Rezz I agree with your points aswell...sure you are going to get sales.

But what Nissan is after...getting back to the topic...is a business case for the car to be in Australia.

Unfortunately the same people I am talking about that might want to buy the GTR35 also has

been pampered by BMW,MB,Volvo,Audi and the Other 5 or so European Manufactures.

The prices here are not competitive with the volume that these manufactures sell their products at.

Their volumes are low with high margins to cover their over-heads.

Nissan can only compete with these names in America....and this is their only place of sale I believe, outside of Japan, that will give them the numbers to succeed.

Their Infinity Brand has great respect in America and this is where the business case is strongest.

GTR quite simply is a no go for Oz...

Cheers

[Rezz]

Hello there,

Rezz I agree with your points aswell...sure you are going to get sales.

But what Nissan is after...getting back to the topic...is a business case for the car to be in Australia.

Unfortunately the same people I am talking about that might want to buy the GTR35 also has

been pampered by BMW,MB,Volvo,Audi and the Other 5 or so European Manufactures.

The prices here are not competitive with the volume that these manufactures sell their products at.

Their volumes are low with high margins to cover their over-heads.

Nissan can only compete with these names in America....and this is their only place of sale I believe, outside of Japan, that will give them the numbers to succeed.

Their Infinity Brand has great respect in America and this is where the business case is strongest.

GTR quite simply is a no go for Oz...

Cheers

Going by what you've posted, it's suprising anything gets sold 'outside America' at all...

So you're saying Nissan hasn't got a chance of selling the next GT-R here because of an already saturated luxury car market, yet Ferrari manage to sell a handful of cars each year? I realize prestige, a long established name and brand loyalty come into play with a marque such as Ferrari, but buying trends change, and I don't think Nissan - or any Japanese maker for that matter - are going to stay where they are in the market forever.

Take the Australian arm of Infiniti for example. Back in 1990 Nissan had the 'guts' to enter the Australian luxury car market... but failed largely because of the abscence of the things I mentioned Ferrari had, in particular prestige. The maket wasn't ready for it, and voted with their feet and went to other dealerships instead.

Fast forward 16 years to where a potential Porsche-killer sports/GT car is involved, in an Australian market thats bigger, stronger and more openminded towards things of Japanese origin than before, and I think the next GT-R will sell... and heres my point: Nissan *will not* sell the GT-R in Australia for profit. In fact thats where I agree with you most, the USA is probably the only place where Nissan will actually make a few dollars on GT-R sales... but only a few. The next GT-R is a brand leading 'hero car', and as such Nissan is using alot of it's capital gained over 7 - 8 years of frugal and intelligent business practices (made possible with the help of Renault) to market a legendary name attached to a soon to be legendary car.

The next GT-R may be irrelevent and over the top technically advanced by the time it's released, but the car *will* be made in right-hand drive, so until Nissan say otherwise, I would definately expect at least 100 examples to make their way to Australia.

[scathing]

Nissan can only compete with these names in America....and this is their only place of sale I believe, outside of Japan, that will give them the numbers to succeed.

Their Infinity Brand has great respect in America and this is where the business case is strongest.

But Nissan Global has already announced that the GT-R will be sold as a Nissan, and not an Infiniti, in the US......which has pissed off a lot of Infiniti dealers who thought they were a dead cert for it.

[sh@un]

Prolly for the same reason 350Z's are sold as Nissans in the U.S

Nissan - Sports

Infiniti - Luxury

[scathing]

The articles I've read on the next GT-R say that Nissan will address that shortfall. The old GT-R was obviously a Japanese volume model vehicle with some very impressive go-faster bits in it. Like the WRX and Evo, its donor vehicle is painfully obvious.

The next GT-R, as a bespoke vehicle, is meant to have the luxury to go with the performance, to become a well-rounded package. In other words, its meant to be a credible competitor to the 911 in every respect....not just on its Nurburgring times.

[sh@un]

Hyper-performance luxury

(fingas crossed)

[hungry6]

I would consider myself as a potential buyer for the new GTR, there are numerous hurdles nissan has to get over.

Performance, currently all 4 germans marks are in a power war and we're gonna see 350kw RS4 Audi soon and early 2008 450KW Audi RS6

both being awd format priced respectively 170K and 260K I'm guessing the second one, As for Porsche, only until you driven the new Cayman, it's will take a special car to beat it around the track despite of HP. As for Ferrari, well it no major concern, as unless you're on the rotation, you wont be supplied with a car in the next 5 years.

BMW and Merc are struggling abit.

But what I'm saying here is that, ppls who shell out approx $200K do their homeworks and they looks at resale and dealer services and badge.

Go and look at a nissan dealership and one of the euro dealership and you'll see what nissan is up against in term of resale/service and price.

To be honest, if it does makes it here, it will be a "flag bearer" in limited numbers and nissan will be selling everyone of these at a lost, hoping it will create interest in the brand and attracts new buyers to the makes.That is my thought on how it might be here.

Edited September 25, 2006 by hungry6

[scathing]

As for Porsche, only until you driven the new Cayman, it's will take a special car to beat it around the track despite of HP

Walter Rorhl got the Cayman S around the Nurburgring in 8:11. So unless the next GT-R is significantly slower than its predecessors, being faster than a Cayman shouldn't be an issue.

[julion]

group buy - we can all chip in. and maybe if we got 365 of us to chip in. we could each drive the car for one day a year

I'm in!

[Duncan]

ut what I'm saying here is that, ppls who shell out approx $200K do their homeworks and they looks at resale and dealer services and badge.

Go and look at a nissan dealership and one of the euro dealership and you'll see what nissan is up against in term of resale/service and price.

Absolutely....as the owner of a 70k nissan I can assure their service is not to the level I expect....so how do you think someone paying 3x as much will feel.

As an example the radio in the Z has had trouble. Replaced 3 times now. The last time it was out of the car (big hole in the dash) for 4 weeks. Not $70k service, let alone $200k service.....

[Sydneykid]

I would consider myself as a potential buyer for the new GTR, there are numerous hurdles nissan has to get over.

Performance, currently all 4 germans marks are in a power war and we're gonna see 350kw RS4 Audi soon and early 2008 450KW Audi RS6

both being awd format priced respectively 170K and 260K I'm guessing the second one, As for Porsche, only until you driven the new Cayman, it's will take a special car to beat it around the track despite of HP. As for Ferrari, well it no major concern, as unless you're on the rotation, you wont be supplied with a car in the next 5 years.

BMW and Merc are struggling abit.

But what I'm saying here is that, ppls who shell out approx $200K do their homeworks and they looks at resale and dealer services and badge.

Go and look at a nissan dealership and one of the euro dealership and you'll see what nissan is up against in term of resale/service and price.

To be honest, if it does makes it here, it will be a "flag bearer" in limited numbers and nissan will be selling everyone of these at a lost, hoping it will create interest in the brand and attracts new buyers to the makes.That is my thought on how it might be here.

Here here, the problem with buying a GTR is waiting in the que behind a Tiida owner. That's the very reason Toyota created Lexus, Honda started Acura, Nissan has Infinity, Mazda started Eunos....so that people with $150K to spend aren't grouped in with people spending $15K.

The GTR35 would be a problem for Nissan the same as the GTR32 was, no one spending that sort of money is going to put up with “Nissan” levels of service at the dealer interface. Duncan’s comments on the 350Z service levels are mirrored by quite a few 350Z owners I know, the car itself is very good but they can’t handle the poor service quality. Potential owners spending 2 to 3 times that much are simply going to shop elsewhere.

Nissan Australia needs to really rethink its market positioning. Personally I would like to see them drop Maxima and start up separate dealerships selling 350Z, Skyline sedan and Coupe and GTR. Just one dealership in each capital city, selling only rear wheel drive Nissans (or Infinities). That’s would then give them an outlet for the Nismo brand, much like Mitsubishi does with Ralliart and Subaru with STi.

cheers

[scathing]

The GTR35 would be a problem for Nissan the same as the GTR32 was, no one spending that sort of money is going to put up with “Nissan” levels of service at the dealer interface. Duncan’s comments on the 350Z service levels are mirrored by quite a few 350Z owners I know, the car itself is very good but they can’t handle the poor service quality. Potential owners spending 2 to 3 times that much are simply going to shop elsewhere.

Nissan Australia needs to really rethink its market positioning. Personally I would like to see them drop Maxima and start up separate dealerships selling 350Z, Skyline sedan and Coupe and GTR. Just one dealership in each capital city, selling only rear wheel drive Nissans (or Infinities). That’s would then give them an outlet for the Nismo brand, much like Mitsubishi does with Ralliart and Subaru with STi.

cheers

Yeah, I've stopped going to Nissan dealerships as much as I can because of that.

Nissan Australia is still thinking about re-releasing the Infiniti brand. I think they should. Bring in the Skylines, badged as G35s if necessary. As you say, run it as 1-2 dealerships at first (until they can get enough traction for it to spread wider).

It'll kill the Nissan brand if they lose their family car and halo model though, but the Australian market doesn't have the numbers to support having the Maxima / 350Z and the G35 sedan and coupe. The only way out, I see, is to do a Lexus and give the V35s a "proper" luxury car interior and price it upstream accordingly.

Leave the 350Z where it is, but spec and price the V35 coupe up around $85K + options. That way you've got something at BMW 325Ci pricing that will outrun, and hopefully out-plush, a 330Ci.

[Rezz]

Yeah, I've stopped going to Nissan dealerships as much as I can because of that.

Nissan Australia is still thinking about re-releasing the Infiniti brand. I think they should. Bring in the Skylines, badged as G35s if necessary. As you say, run it as 1-2 dealerships at first (until they can get enough traction for it to spread wider).

It'll kill the Nissan brand if they lose their family car and halo model though, but the Australian market doesn't have the numbers to support having the Maxima / 350Z and the G35 sedan and coupe. The only way out, I see, is to do a Lexus and give the V35s a "proper" luxury car interior and price it upstream accordingly.

Leave the 350Z where it is, but spec and price the V35 coupe up around $85K + options. That way you've got something at BMW 325Ci pricing that will outrun, and hopefully out-plush, a 330Ci.

Nissan (Infiniti) have done that already. The new V36 Skyline/G35 is a Lexus IS350 and BMW 330 competitor now, in the true sense. I posted up something about it in the Japan section.

About the next GT-R and Nissan dealerships, elsewhere I've mentioned that the GT-R may just have it's own sales channel with it's own servicing section away from mainstream Nissan models to address the aftersales issues people have been having. Kind of like how Honda sold the NSX back in the day in Japan, it was under the same roof as everything else, but had it's own salespeople who took care of everything like a concierge, with 6-star service.

[Duncan]

Well Nissan tried to sell GTRs through specialis dealers 15 years ago, like Hornsby and Northshore, in fact Hornsby still have their GTR sign up after all this time....didn't really help them. And at the same time they were trying to sell the Q45 (ever seen one of them on the road?).

But you never know, now they have renault money behind them and are making money again maybe they will try it.

[SS8_Gohan]

yeah the service point is spot on. I didn't think about that. My dad is on his 3rd BMW (530i) and has paid deposit for his 4th (335i, twin turbo baby!) and now my bro works for Bib Stiwell BMW. The service levels are pretty crazy and there is just NO comparison between Nissan and BMW.

They could learn A LOT from how the M division people treat their prospective and real customers. People with deposits get an all expenses paid trip to Phillip Island to thrash about in the range of M cars, including a hot lap with John Bowe i think? Invited to all these special launch dinners, etc, etc... there's a lot of special attention. And i would think Nissan would need to do the same for deposit GTR owners.

I aggree, i think a specialised service/dealer is really the only way to go, given how much $ the next GTR is going to be.

[hungry6]

I can't speak for everyone who buys a 200K+ car, but it's not about standing inline with general public who buys a 20k pulsar, it's about getting the right ppls to look after your car and getting the right advice when you needs it. For example, I wouldn't be happy if I paid big dollars for a car and then when come to service it, only to find out, your supposedly "special" car is getting the once over by a 1st year apprentice, including the test drive. This is where alot of the "exclusive" cars amongst the luxo car makers make the disctinction.

They would only be worked on by factory nominate personel on alot of cases and no one else would be allowed to move or lift the bonnet. Reasons why sometime it take a few weeks in advance to book a certain car in for service, and not the drive in the morning and pick it up in the arvo job.

If nissan can address this, they will no doubt getting closer to hitting the mark to be a successful 100K car seller.