Import Dealers

[Rekin]

Hello

I'm currently looking around for a r32, and browsing carsales, autotrader, there seem to be many import dealers selling skylines.

I was wondering if import dealers are flexible with their prices?

I have currently found a manual 1993 R32 auction grade 4, for sale from a dealer for $13,500

This includes 3year warranty, RWC, 12mnth rego, compliance etc.

After speaking with JSA imports, their warranty does not include engine and im sure other dealers would follow the same path for a r32.

If you break up the costs;

- According to Prestigemotorsports, 1993 r32 sells for $11,200

- 12mnth rego $560

- RWC

- 3yr warranty

The reason im asking this is because import dealers seem to be different to regular 2nd hand car dealers. As they would import the car close or same to j-spec's/prestige's offer? Which seems to be a small profit margin with the added rwc,rego,warranty included.

What are the chances of haggling the price down? to $11,500 if paid in cash.

Trying to stay away from private sellers because there is no guarantee about the state of the car. With a dealer i can always return with the dodgy car and settle any problems.

Thanks

- Patrick

[The_Paladin]

if you dont want a dodgy car, i'd be staying right away from imports.

i'd say the chances of haggling are limited because of the demand of the vehicle. they could get 13500. dealers know what a car is worth and they will not sell below that.

that said, good luck! i hope you get them down. no harm or shame in asking. you'll probbaly find a middle ground with them.

[Mandingo]

  Rekin said:

Trying to stay away from private sellers because there is no guarantee about the state of the car. With a dealer i can always return with the dodgy car

So you would rather import a car you have never even seen let alone driven, then take a mechanic with you to look at a private car? Most mechanics would do it for a carton if you ask nice.

Edited July 4, 2006 by Flipmo

[Rekin]

  Flipmo said:

So you would rather import a car you have never even seen let alone driven, then take a mechanic with you to look at a private car? Most mechanics would do it for a carton if you ask nice.

I am not requesting an import of a car form the dealer. Most dealers import cars them selves and then sell in their car yard. The cars are already in Australia with trader plates in order to test drive and take to mechanic.

sorry for the confusion

[Guest intouch]

if u pay cash? how else are u thinking of paying?

[Rekin]

  intouch said:

if u pay cash? how else are u thinking of paying?

What do you mean?

There are other ways of paying instead of directly with cash?

cheques, bank transfers, finance through dealer?

Paying outright with cash at a dealer or most shops have greater leverage in haggling the price....

[R34GT-t_07]

Try kamakaze i bought my r34 from them 1 year a ago no problems since and they offer 3yr warranty, RWC, 12mnth rego and the warranty covers the engine and transmision JSA stay away from them they r the shiftyest deler around and their cars are in shit condition mechanicly and interior wise

[Rekin]

  R34GT-t_07 said:

Try kamakaze i bought my r34 from them 1 year a ago no problems since and they offer 3yr warranty, RWC, 12mnth rego and the warranty covers the engine and transmision JSA stay away from them they r the shiftyest deler around and their cars are in shit condition mechanicly and interior wise

Did you manage to have any issues with negotiating the price? Or were their prices firm, even with cash? JSA have been calling me constantly asking me to come in and view their range of r32's, shouldnt have given my mob number haha.

Could you please tell me the address of kamakaze?

Thanks

[frx026]

in some ways buying an import is no different to buying any car.

1- go through the dealer for finance - pay with no chance of a deal

2 - pay CASH (yep all real australian money) and they will talk to you.

When I went buy my skyline, I went around for a look first, finally found one that I like (5 months later and a beaut r33 s2) and after having an independant mechanic inspect it, returned to the yard with $5000 cash.

The conversation went something like this.

ME - I want that car

Dealer - yep, its this much

ME - I will give you this 5 grand cash now as a deposit if we can work out a deal, no deal, I walk. ( shows money)

Dealer - will you pay the rest in cash?

ME - If it gets me a better deal.

Dealer - price offered

ME - price screwed a little more

Dealer - Accepted.

If you are trying to do it through finance though you will have no leverage. Dealers generally get a commission through the finance company involved, the more you pay, the more commish they earn.

If you are gonna pay in cash, be prepared to walk away. I bet when you say no deal, pick up your 5 grand and go to leave, they will be on you like a fat kid on a cup cake.

Just use your leverage, show them the money and stick to what you want. Dont get talked into s##t by some dodgy salesman who could f##k up a cup of coffee.

[Mandingo]

  Rekin said:

I am not requesting an import of a car form the dealer. Most dealers import cars them selves and then sell in their car yard. The cars are already in Australia with trader plates in order to test drive and take to mechanic

If thats how your doing it then the only difference to buying private is a dealer is charging a few thou on top to make his cut.

Sorry if I sound like a fool, but I would rather buy a private car from someone off these forums or out of the trader who has serviced it properly every 5 thousand K's etc then some f**kwit dealer only interested in making a buck, they don't care what condition the car is in. Why would they? all I'm saying is there is a lot of time bombs out there, be careful what you buy.

[Rekin]

I agree with you Flipmo in regards to the difference in care between a private and dealer seller. I wouldnt been keen on purchasing a skyline from a dealer which has had a previous australian owner.

Im currently looking into 2 skylines which are being sold by dealers.

One is scheduled to arrive in 2 weeks from Japan and the other is waiting at the docks.

These cars are fresh from japan and have no previous australian owner. Also due to the new import laws, an accident damaged car cannot be imported.

I have inspected several private sellers and found most of them had accident damage and tried to cover it up; and all the straight r32's are already modified and are selling for $14,000. I would still need to include rego, rwc, stamps etc which adds up.

Through these import dealers i can find a freshly imported r32 without taking the risk or private importing as the car is already in Australia with dealer trader plates in order to take to mechanic.

Going back to my original question, as the dealers know the import price of the car and demand, i was wondering how eager they will be to drop the price.

Thanks

[_8OO5TED_]

yeah when buying my 1st R33 from a yard, i made a cash offer which at first they rejected but as i walked out, he quickly called me back and accepted.

They love the CASH!

[Rekin]

Got a call from dealer, saying the car will be at his workshop this tuesday. This being the auction grade 4 1993 R32.

Looking at the pictures currently, the rear shows the sticker "gts t"? isn't there meant to be a "-"? ie; "gts-t"

Seller claims it to be Type M GTS-T...

Just a bit paranoid I guess haha

Thanks

[The_Paladin]

It's a bit of a game of chicken. sometimes i have to negotiate the sale of cars at work (on behalf of external vendors). a buyer will say "take price X or i will walk" and most of the time you let them. half wont ring you back but the other half will accepting the vendors initial offer.

[xRHETTx]

When people say less for cash in terms of cars don't they just mean anything except finance? Eg. cash, bank transfer (same thing), cheque etc.

Walking around with $20k in your pocket isnt really feasible, when a bank transfer is only a phone call or a second on the internet away.

[R34GT-t_07]

  Rekin said:

Did you manage to have any issues with negotiating the price? Or were their prices firm, even with cash? JSA have been calling me constantly asking me to come in and view their range of r32's, shouldnt have given my mob number haha.

Could you please tell me the address of kamakaze?

Thanks

Sorry that i havent replied sooner havent been on the net for a while, As i said stay clear of JSA , my car origionaly was 35k but i managed to get it down to 30 alll u have to do is be persistant and just keep hasseling them thats what i did.

i dont have the adress on me at the moment but i will post it to u in the next couple of days what i can give u now is their website kamikazemotors.com/ u can get their address from there.

hope this helps u in ur decision

[Rekin]

  xRHETTx said:

When people say less for cash in terms of cars don't they just mean anything except finance? Eg. cash, bank transfer (same thing), cheque etc.

Walking around with $20k in your pocket isnt really feasible, when a bank transfer is only a phone call or a second on the internet away.

Yep your're right when I think about it. Depending on how shifty the dealer is in regards to tax etc, a bank check is easier to track compared to straight out cash. (could be wrong on that assumption though)

Ill ask the dealer if he wants cash/check and see which one he picks.

Organising RACV inspection tomorrow and we'll see how things go

R34GT-t_07 a $5k drop is huge, using your ratio i could drop the price by $1900

Thanks

- Patrick

[bigdamoc]

I did buy my r33 from JSA, they were actually good for me. They dropped the price, the car interior was in very very good condition and the engine bay was in good nick. I was thinking about taking the car back to them for the service, as ive only had it for about a month and a bit now but now you have me thinking, do i or dont i, are they that bad. I relise that they will f**k around with the odemetre and make it all nice for the consumer but the car i bought was actaully very good, maybe people have had a bed experience with them but mine was good. I must say that i started dealing with some sales bloke then changed to the managing director, i wont say names but he was acually pretty cool with me, unlike the sales bloke just looking for the buck.

Thats my $1