Another Skyline Fatality

[GTSR22]

guys, the problem is in the education,

look i am 18 and i drive an old celica around, occasionly i do drive a turbo'd car. i already no the concequenses of speeding and what it can do, i have seen to many people just in my community being killed and hurt by driving to fast and thinking they are invincible. and i agree it was to easy for me to get my licence

SO EVERYONE PLEASE JUST SLOW DOWN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE

cheers

[mr_crust]

Any decent skyline in the wet with a lead foot driver is gonna loose traction, u only need to lose traction for that split second and ur life can turn upside down , as far as im concerned while on p plates there must be restirctions on cars, and hopefully this will cut down the number of heros

[TracidTrax]

  xRHETTx said:

I had heaps of friends who had only 4-5 hours driving experience when they got their P's. I had over 200 hours, and i still think i needed more.

if u think u needed more y didnt u stop urself from getting ur P's and DO more hours instead of calling people idiots

[Betz]

  RBN1 said:

you managed to get a GTR out of shape on a public road???

riiight

what is hard to believe about that?

I took a corner somewhat briskly due to an amber light, only light on the throttle and the back stepped out, it was dry aswel btw

[NickR33]

like with a lot of social problems what we need is more education... but education is expensive and the government would rather legislate around problems... eg. more fines, P plate restrictions, anti hoon laws etc...

so you can't have fun responsibly anymore because someone else has already hurt themselves or worse, so now there is a law against it... to protect us all... from ourselves...

I think its a parents job to make sure their child can drive and doesn't have a dangerous car not the governments

agh it doesn't matter anyway, did anyone watch the 4 corners on peak oil last night? by the time I have kids they won't be able to afford to drive... and neither will anyone else!

[allblitz]

  NickR33 said:

did anyone watch the 4 corners on peak oil last night? by the time I have kids they won't be able to afford to drive... and neither will anyone else!

If George Bush and his dad left the oil fields in the gulf alone, we wouldn't be paying this much

[inark]

quick... someone start developing a straight gas setup for RB engines

[adznight]

With regards to this crash it's simple "People ARE stupid". That is all.

[R31Nismoid]

  TracidTrax said:

if u think u needed more y didnt u stop urself from getting ur P's and DO more hours instead of calling people idiots

So how many hours did you have exactly?

Are you a perfect driver tested and expirienced in all conditions?

You recent posts of late have done nothing to make me think your any better than anyone else.

Unless ofcourse you get to the attitude button and turn it off before entering a vehicle and drive like a sedated turtle

[R31Nismoid]

  Betz said:

what is hard to believe about that?

I took a corner somewhat briskly due to an amber light, only light on the throttle and the back stepped out, it was dry aswel btw

You answered your own question in a somewhat round-a-bout way.

If you didnt take the amber, which BTW is illegal to do, you wouldnt have gotten out of shape at all

So its not a case on unbelieveable, its totally believeable if your acting illegally on the roads.

I know this post will set some noses out of joint, but im all for that

[TracidTrax]

  R31Nismoid said:

So how many hours did you have exactly?

Are you a perfect driver tested and expirienced in all conditions?

You recent posts of late have done nothing to make me think your any better than anyone else.

Unless ofcourse you get to the attitude button and turn it off before entering a vehicle and drive like a sedated turtle

no mate, im no perfect driver at all, never even said i was remotely a perfect driver...

[NickR33]

  allblitz said:

If George Bush and his dad left the oil fields in the gulf alone, we wouldn't be paying this much

It has more to do with developing economies like China and India needing more oil... A few years ago China used to be a net exporter of oil but now they have to import it as well to keep up with demand... same as England in the eighties when they thought the North sea reserves would last forever...

most of the easy to get oil has already been used which now leaves the deeper trickier oil, which is slower to get out of the ground and more expensive... and yes the major oil producing countries all seem to have unstable governments (Iraq, Iran, Nigeria etc etc) which is also helping drive the price up...

The big question is how much oil do the Saudis have left... they have a nationalised oil company that controls all the fields and they have been reporting the same growing production of oil for the last 50 years which contradicts every other major oil field/producer in the world... so they are keeping something secret...

bottomline enjoy your cars people because the current rate of petrol price increase will continue and worsen after 2010 or so... don't blame the oil companies either, blame the government for not preparing us and our economy

buuuut back on topic...

[Betz]

  R31Nismoid said:

You answered your own question in a somewhat round-a-bout way.

If you didnt take the amber, which BTW is illegal to do, you wouldnt have gotten out of shape at all

So its not a case on unbelieveable, its totally believeable if your acting illegally on the roads.

I know this post will set some noses out of joint, but im all for that

my my arnt we mr politically correct?

FTR I wasnt running an amber, I was committed to making the turn and it went amber as I entered the intersection so I kept a little more speed than usual, came out of the corner with light throttle right on boost sure if I ment to do it I would have been hooning, but as I admit while trying to be brisk about it my judgement was in error and the cars limit exceeded unexpectedly

I am new to this car and it surprises me how it can be grip central to tail happy depending on how it is driven. so therefore I can cirtainly understand a less expirienced driver can get themselfs in all sorts of trouble through being a tool or just plain lack of expierience.

[**JaR**]

  GTRgeoff said:

It's not the high powered car, it's the bulletproof dickhead behind the wheel trying to impress everyone. Unfortunately the more power, and the less experience algorithm means the easier for said dickhead to demolish himself and innocent lives.

My answer? Driving ed in schools over 2 years, and if you don't get your license at school then you should pay for equivalent and extensive training yourself to the tune of $2-3K.

As for the speed limit question. That is the most ill informed noob question ever asked. The speed limit doesn't cover all weather and traffic conditions and unfortunately with the bare minimum experience expected of our young drivers they will continue to kill themselves.

More people die falling from ladders than on the roads. Don't see that in the news everytime someone has a fall.

totally agree. ive had my P's for a year and i drive a "high powered car". thing is i've been driving since i was 11. but its way to easy to get a licence. like ive mentioned in another thead.... 15 mins of crusing around at speed limits and one reverse park later, i had a card that says i can drive. to me... thats bullshit, they teach you nothing except how to obey road rules. learning where the hazards are in the car isnt going to teach you how to regain control of the car if you lose control in the wet etc. lack of driver training is the problem, not the car or its power.

  inark said:

Yeah cause they wont be able to kill themselves in a 3.8litre VN commo...

Cars dont matter... power wont matter... 335 people die on the road a year... of that 335 probably 70 are P platers and of that probably 15 of them are in "Hi Power" cars.

seriously... who cares... regardless cops are going to target these cars, no matter whos driving them and restricting them to "low power" cars isnt going to drop the amount of accidents dramatically.

couldnt agree more ni.

[mr_crust]

i got a $200 fine going through an amber light at 10pm with a cop car more then 200metres behind me. He claimed he can see in the dark that my car was over the line and that i made no attempt to stop.

he said that basically if i attempted to brake (and he could see the brake lights) and then i went through he could tell i attempted to stop and wouldnt have got a fine.

moral: tap ur brakes before u come on full boost to go through an amber to save 200bux

[GTAAAH]

so he was driving a 34... Maybe if he had been in a nice slow suzuki swift or a lancer they would all have been fine.. But seeing as speed wasnt said to be a factor, perhaps the skyline would have been safer than a ford laser and in fact been the reason the two guys lived not the girl died..

Oh id also like to see a re-enforcement of the "Look listen walk" rules again. Sure whiping off 5km's could turn death into a broken leg but.. looking left then right could have prevented it altogether..

My 2 sense

Edited July 13, 2006 by r32 gts-turbo

[Ronin 09]

  r32 gts-turbo said:

Oh id also like to see a re-enforcement of the "Look listen walk" rules again. Sure whiping off 5km's could turn death into a broken leg but.. looking left then right could have prevented it altogether..

huh?

my understanding is that they were all in the car.

[700HP-GTR33]

  inark said:

quick... someone start developing a straight gas setup for RB engines

Your missing the point...all of you...in relation to this thread

Education,training youth has nothing to do with it...

Stupidity and trying to be a hero has....

Just because you own a fast car does not mean you can drive one...

The 20 year old would have killed someone eventually even in another car....if skylines wern't around

he's choice of weopen would have maybe been a XR6 Turbo

To many times we believe...when we are young..we can't die

He has learned the hard way ...that your driving can cause fatalities to others....dick head

I feel sorry for the girls family

Training ....my arse alot of good it would have done him

[Betz]

  mr_crust said:

i got a $200 fine going through an amber light at 10pm with a cop car more then 200metres behind me. He claimed he can see in the dark that my car was over the line and that i made no attempt to stop.

he said that basically if i attempted to brake (and he could see the brake lights) and then i went through he could tell i attempted to stop and wouldnt have got a fine.

moral: tap ur brakes before u come on full boost to go through an amber to save 200bux

as a matter of fact i did hit the anchors, but at the time believed that scooting around the corner was a smoother action than sending my siblings thru the windscreen

[GTAAAH]

  Ronin 09 said:

huh?

my understanding is that they were all in the car.

He he yeh, just an afterthought, for people arguing against people in high powered cars, pedestrian deaths could be reduced alot by re-reinforcing it