Lpg For Stagea?

[bluesky4me]

With the federal govt talking about a 2K rebate..has anyone considered putting ther stag on LPG?...I have always been a bit anti LPG..but maybe its worth considering. A very quick look at the Gas Research site and I found out that forced induction and a large exhaust is a plus for LPG. I also dont like the idea of a gas cylinder in the back..maybe it would replace the petrol tank...anyway I dont know much bout this so dont shoot me down in flames..petrol usage is an issue with our beloved stags so just thought I would open the topic up.

Cheers.

Scott.

[pixel8r]

I'm also interested to hear people's thoughts on this. Still, they say even with the govt handout, it would still take about 30,000kms until you actually start to save money on it...and from my experience gas usually gives you lower performance unless its a dedicated system and the car is designed for it (eg. dedicated gas falcons). Still i'm talking mainly about the LPG add-on systems for dual-fuel from 5-6 years ago - they may be a lot better these days.

But my take on the whole thing is that if enough people jump onto the gas bandwagon, and so far HEAPS of people have, then it will just push the taxes on gas and the price of gas upwards, and by the same token if a significant amount of people stop buying petrol, then the price of petrol will drop slightly, to account for the lower demand (hoping!).

And another thing - does it make sense to hand out $2K for people to do a gas conversion when all they need to do is lower the tax on petrol or get rid of it altogether and people would be just as happy!

I'm waiting for them to give out $2K for a set of 18's, or a nice exhaust etc. - now THAT would be cool

Edited August 19, 2006 by pixel8r

[fergo308]

I haven't looked into gas very deeply,as it's never been an option that's particularly interested me,but as far as a conversion into a stagea goes,I believe it would be quite easy to get quite a large cylinder under the back of the car,without losing any boot space.

the stagea runs a stagea-specific fuel tank behind the rear bumper. skylines and silvias run a saddle-shaped tank under their back seats,straddling the tail shaft. anyone who was seriously considering swapping to gas,may want to investigate the possibility of swapping the stagea's fuel tank to a skyline type under the back seats,and then removing the std tank,and using that huge area behind the rear bar for their gas cylinder.

Justin...

Edited August 19, 2006 by fergo308

[FLYSLY]

Running duel fuel on a stag would be pointless in my opinion to have any advantage you would have to go one or the other.

You would be adding a lot of extra weight if you went dual fuel which in term means crappier fuel consumption which is a major problem the stags have anyway.

Plus the loss of power going gas which is a fair amount of power down the drain and i wouldnt exactly say the stags are well over powered, they are ok but nothing special.

Example: Petrol BA Falcon 182kw

Straight Gas BA Falcon 154kw or there abouts

Significant loss in power.

[AlexCim]

This has been talked about in the "Forced Induction" forum before.

But heres the big question, even before I read FLYSLY's reply.

Why do you want to make a heavy, slow car, heavier and slower?

[Burns]

Turbos cam make more power on LPG than on Petrol if set up correctly. My old VL turbo made 20kw more when tuned for LPG. LPG has an octane rating of around 110 so you can run higher boost and more ignition advance.

I would be interesting to see if a Skyline tank would fit under the Stagea seat even if not doing a LPG conversion it would give you a much better range.

[stasis]

wat if the damn howard govt decided to raise the pice of LOG? you are screwed.

One tank of gasoline is equilvalent to 1.5 tanks of LPG.

Also dont run out of gas in somewhere funny

[AlexCim]

You had a VL turbo.

Did you get sick of it quick? I can get an 11 second VL for about 9k, not sure if i should bother to go the VL route.

[stasis]

but if the point is cutting on emmision then go LPG. costs wise if we are not doing high milage driving its not really worth the trouble into converting it. Which will also includes the loss of prformance.

trued also for the extended life for the engine oil. less carbon depeosits in the engine. is just a matter wheter we are willing to sacrifice or not. Lpg was very attractive when it was only under 20 cents a liter. But look at it now if you compare the percentage increase compares to gasaline it acually incresed by 300% on LPG. think about it?!

[IMPORTD]

I'm with Pixel in the hope that the demand for petrol will drop aswell as the price

I know Alot of WA's will grab the 2K rebate, it practically pays for the whole thing over here

[fergo308]

word is that LPG is going to see a rise in it's excise rate as well in a few years time,so it might be a moot point soon enough anyway.

Justin...

[IMPORTD]

I had a ute on gas, mum rang kleenheat and asked why the prices were going up, they said they put them up in 'sympathy'... wtf??

grrr!

[mcnamg]

the fuel excise on lpg will go up from 2010 by 2.5 cents a year until it reaches a maximum of 12.5cents

[stasis]

see see you guys are getting suckered by the governement . mining $$ off the citizens.

[Techo]

The australians govt will be putting a tax on LPG in 2 years! so it will come up to about $1L, I'll think i 'll stick to premium unleaded.

[stasis]

there you go!! if not how the hell is the govt gonna raise money to pay off their debts of 500billion+ with only 30 mill population?!

[AlexCim]

i thought australia was in surplus no deficit??

what happen?

[Ska]

No doubt the tax on lpg will se it rise to the price petrol is today in several years time, but I'd hate to think what petrol will be by then.

There are several good whitepapers about peak oil which are good reading, google "peak oil white paper" and make yourself a big pot of coffee and start reading, it really is quite frank.........

[stasis]

i thought australia was in surplus no deficit??

what happen?

\Yea that only happened for the last few years. the debts had been accumulated sinces the 50s. Why do you thing the oz $ have always fallen since the 50s? At the start of the 50s A$ is the same value as british pounds!!. Look at it now.

[Terminal]

The internet, and especially the Stagea formum in SAU, is no place for political/economic discussions (arguments) take it outside boys!

LPG is only a short term solution, it doesn't help the fact we're running out of oil. We have about 30yrs left of crude, then another 30 available to us in shale oil, which costs about twice as much to extract. Look towards the future of hydrogen fuel cells and improvements in battery storage systems.

Thinking that, i know my kids probably won't ever drive a petrol fueled car. unless of course i get a delorean and Mr Fusion....etc