Is This Really Possible?

[mad082]

100km in one second??

If thats true holy cow..

yeah its true. think about it. they do 400m in 5 seconds and are going about 400kmh be the end.

[Faid]

well i can say one thing, some like there things is small packages and some like it in big. but what they dont know is that the small packages carry one of the most durable engines in the world. the bugatti is overresearched, overengineerd, to much to play with, for example put a 800-900 HP GTR with all supporting circuit modification nex to a bugati veyron around a lap of say silverstone UK. id be a 100 % cetrain that the bugatti would shit in its pants kepping up. the car is as wide as some of the roads in my country, being a mechanical engineer myself i realy dont like that car, give me my self built 600HP car anyday, di dont need a factory telling me that i should pay $1 M for it.

[gtr660hp]

there is a (modified) r33 gtr in a motor mag i have that clocked about 315kmh at avalon airport. beat a lambo which only got about 308kmh. but that took longer than 14 seconds to get it.

but it isn't that unreasonable to think it is possible. just look at the top fuel drag cars. they hit 400kmh in under 5 seconds, 100kmh in 1 second.

No they hit 520km/h in 4.5 sec

The

0-300 in under 14 secs has benn done by more than 1 GTR

And as for the Bugatti i cant wait till these things are 3 years old and falling apart-Bugatti built Quality is shite

[GT-R32]

You sir, smoke some powerful shit.

Particularly if it is expected this Super-Skyline will pass emissions.

[2rismo]

This argument is dead. The Bugatti is a massive feat of engineering and an amazing car. It was purely a "can we do it?" type excercise - never meant to be marketed as a profitable production car.

The fact that they ONLY cost $2mill each (when estimated R&D costs of $5mill per car have been thrown around) is amazing.

The car is gorgeous, more practical than ANY 1000hp Skyline and passes emissions in some of the strictest nations on earth.

It wins. Period.

Adrian

[VB-]

No they hit 520km/h in 4.5 sec

now that sounds more accurate, i also believe they hit 100MPH in under a second, not km/h. crazy sh!t

and yes it hink the bugatti is a feat of engineering. an everyday supercar?

[gtr660hp]

now that sounds more accurate, i also believe they hit 100MPH in under a second, not km/h. crazy sh!t

and yes it hink the bugatti is a feat of engineering. an everyday supercar?

Yep also its 100mph in around 1 sec

Basically when the fueller launches from a standing start ,by the time the rear wheels reach where the front wheels were its doing 100mph-so the lenght of the car which is 300 inchs its doing 100mph. And no bugatti driver will ever know what that feels like

[mad082]

And no bugatti driver will ever know what that feels like

but a bugatti won't also know what it feels like to rebuild the motor after 10 seconds of flat out use (burnout plus race).

and the 100kmh was for a funnycar, my bad. i used to have a poster (about 9 years ago) of a 300zx funny car that had the times on it. it was 0-100kmh in 1.1 seconds. thats the only fidure off the poster i remember.

[gtr660hp]

but a bugatti won't also know what it feels like to rebuild the motor after 10 seconds of flat out use (burnout plus race).

and the 100kmh was for a funnycar, my bad. i used to have a poster (about 9 years ago) of a 300zx funny car that had the times on it. it was 0-100kmh in 1.1 seconds. thats the only fidure off the poster i remember.

Must of been an Alcohol funny car-cause the Nitro funny cars are nearly as quick as the Top Fuel rails

Yeah like to see Bugatti build an engine with 7500hp and not need constant rebuilding

Ill take the Fueller anyday for a 'real' adrenilin rush

Edited August 23, 2006 by gtr660hp

[Revhead]

For the record, Top Fuellers cross the line at 300mph (483km/h) plus... from a standstill... in 4.5 seconds. They actually do 0-190 or 0-200 (can't remember exactly) in 0.9 sec, which is their 60ft time incidentally. Farkin amazing. I believe the Yanks are a bit quicker again thanks to heaps more exposure and sponsorship dollars and more money in the tracks, with trap speeds of 320mph+.

But yes, anyone who says that building something like the Veyron is anything short of a stunning feat of engineering has no idea what they are talking about.

[Chris32]

Found this on the net, quite interesting re Top Fuel stuff

One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more horsepower then the first 8 rows at Daytona. Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1 1/2 gallons of nitro per second, the same rate of fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747, but with 4times the energy volume.

The supercharger takes more power to drive then a stock hemi makes.

Even with nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into nearly-solid form before ignition.

Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.

Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture (for nitro), the flame front of nitro methane measures 7050 degrees F.

Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting off it's fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in those cylinders and then explodes with a force that can blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or blow the block in half.

Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20 degrees in the big end of the track) that sometimes cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to re-phase the valve timing somewhere closer to synchronization with the pistons.

To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. But in reaching 200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is closer to 8G's.

If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs $1000.00 per second.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have read this sentence. * Top Fuel Engines ONLY turn 540 revolutions from light to light!

The redline is actually quite high at 9500rpm.

To give you an idea of this acceleration, the current TF dragster elapsed time record is 4.477 seconds for the quarter mile. This means that you could be coming across the starting line in your average Lingenfelter powered "twin-turbo" Corvette at 200 mph (on a FLYING START) and the dragster would BEAT you to the finish line FROM A DEAD STOP in a quarter mile distance!

[scathing]

The Veyron isn't legal on australian roads, Yes, How stable do you think anything is at 400km/h 10cm off the ground, no neither can the veyron, driving anything with 1000hp+ isn't easy regardless of it's handling the veyron is no exception, Give me a 1/2 of the price of a veyron and I will build you a skyline based car that will out do one in every aspect

Yep. That's why I said nominally legal. At the very least, its left hand drive only option makes it non street legal. The Veyron is street legal in Europe. Will your 1000hp Skyline be? Will the engine be as flexible? Will it be as drivable around town as it is flat out?Will it meet European emissions tests?

And I think that its very possible for cars to be stable at 400km/hr and 10cm off the ground, if the aero and suspension is done correctly. It used to be improbable that cars could be stable at 200km/hr - most modern sports cars will do that easily.

Just because you don't think its possible doesn't mean its not so. Its possible you have a small mind.

[scathing]

And as for the Bugatti i cant wait till these things are 3 years old and falling apart-Bugatti built Quality is shite

Skoda build quality used to be shit too. As did Lamborghini's. That was until Volkswagen took over them, and enforced their quality control onto those companies. The Veyron is no different.

Brand name history mean almost nothing these days in terms of quality. These days you can expect your Ferrari to spend less time in the workshop than on the road (unheard of back in the 80's), and a Mercedes Benz is no longer built to outlast the pyramids.

[mad082]

did anyone see beyond tomoro last night? they had the konengsieg (spelling) on it. they are going for the speed record soon in their new car. and it is only $650,000. it did hold the speed record till the veyron came along.

although it set the record at 388kmh (maclaren was 387), even though the maclaren hit 391kmh on an unofficial run.

at speed i think both the veyron and the konengsieg would handle better than a skyline. it is not just to do with the suspension, but the aero of them. even if you ad big wings and that sort of thing they still won't have the aerodynamics of these cars.

[555]

there is a (modified) r33 gtr in a motor mag i have that clocked about 315kmh at avalon airport. beat a lambo which only got about 308kmh. but that took longer than 14 seconds to get it.

That'll be Tony's GTR - built by RacePace if I'm not mistaken...

Looking at the fastest accelerating list of cars -

12 - Ariel Atom 2 300 2.88secs 0-100

By far the best considering cost v/s bang - my colleague is the OZ distributor (www.openwheelers.co.nz)

**Shameless PLUG !!**

$100K for face contorting performance!!

[mad082]

12 - Ariel Atom 2 300 2.88secs 0-100

is that the one that was tested on top gear?

[JieLine]

yeh it was on top gear, but when u drive it u get flies in ur face

[Smurf]

your two dad's wouldnt happen to be singing with the village people no?

j.k

great response to a reasonable comment

[Smurf]

did anyone see beyond tomoro last night? they had the konengsieg (spelling) on it. they are going for the speed record soon in their new car. and it is only $650,000. it did hold the speed record till the veyron came along.

although it set the record at 388kmh (maclaren was 387), even though the maclaren hit 391kmh on an unofficial run.

at speed i think both the veyron and the konengsieg would handle better than a skyline. it is not just to do with the suspension, but the aero of them. even if you ad big wings and that sort of thing they still won't have the aerodynamics of these cars.

I saw beyond tomorrow and the koenigsegg ccx is one crazy car.

it set the record of 388 on an oval which limited speed. that was with the ccr. they are attempting to beat bugatti's new record with the ccx. i think that is a tall ask. it is well down on power and torque (although i would put up with these deficiancies). it will need aero on it's side to win this battle.

to the genius on this forum who could build a better bugatti than bugatti do using the bugatti team and budget, i wish you luck and question why bugatti didn't source your expertise in the first place. would your input have been "just make it faster boys". No offence, just jokes. Basically I think bugatti did the best they did with a bunch of brainy engineers.

[scathing]

would your input have been "just make it faster boys".

Basically I think bugatti did the best they did with a bunch of brainy engineers.

Why not, it worked for Bernd Pischetsrieder.

As the CEO of Volkswagen, he told everyone the concept Veyron was going to have 1000hp and do 400km/hr.......which was news to the engineers who could not promise anything near that. When they did preliminary testing and realised that the shape was complete shit for aerodynamics and cooling, they were told to deal with it because Pischetsrieder loved the shape so much it wasn't getting changed.

I reckon the Bugatti / Volkswagen engineers did an awesome job considering the inherent flaws the marketing parasites (as usual) inflicted upon them.

Which means, of course, even a bodyshape as ungainly as a Skyline might be able to do 400km/hr with full stability if you throw enough money at it, and ignore the protests of the engineers.