Aftermarket Side Mount

[fEkuaR]

Hey Guys,

Just a quick question... i recently installed a front mount intercooler onto my car was impressed with how it ran and went back to the aftermarket sidemount i have. I have been told that the sidemount i have is an ARC Sidemount does anyone have any details on these coolers or where you could even buy another one from i cant find information anywhere? The difference between response and generall driveability of the car is so much better with the sidemount ive decided to keep it and see how well it goes when i put the powerfc in that i just bought.

Anyway any information would be good if anyone knows anything.

King Regards,

Daniel

[mad082]

have you just tried searching google? what other mods do you have planned (like more boost)? if you are going to be upgrading the turbo down the track then you are best of sticking to the front mount, as when summer comes it will be better for the car to have the colder air from the front mount.

[Mr. Oizo]

if its an ARC side mount, it will flow and cool better than any cheap chinese hybrid cooler.

[fEkuaR]

I have a split dump, trust turbo back exhaust, pod ect just usual modifications. Only planning to run around 12psi. No plan to get another turbo anytime soon. I have searched google found nothing.... was just hoping someone could enlighten me on intercooler details..

[nuffsaid]

What FMIC did you have? Was it also an ARC one?

Maybe a ARC FMIC will have better response and driveability in comparison to your old FMIC. ARC are supposedly the best cooler makes in the world.

[fEkuaR]

Was just a just jap front mount. I dont want to put a front mount in if it wont offer much of anything performance wise. If the sidemount is up to the task them im happy to keep it.

[Mr. Oizo]

Was just a just jap front mount. I dont want to put a front mount in if it wont offer much of anything performance wise. If the sidemount is up to the task them im happy to keep it.

yep, the sidemount would definitley be better

[strydes]

i'm not sure about the arc but I have a trust sidemount and it seems to be really good (piccy attached). i will find out for sure on monday when my power fc goes in and gets tuned

i am looking at a similar level of modification and power as yourself and am hoping i wont need to go frontmount, as I like my unmolested front bar.

current mods are usual fuel pump, full exhaust, pod, avc-r, fuel pressure reg, as well as also having full custom aluminium cooler piping, just to try to maximise the flow.

are you chasing information on the unit or do you want to buy one?

[nuffsaid]

I wonder how these bigger side mounts will do in the heat of summer in comparison to FMIC's.

It might be good now but in summer it might suffer from heat soak, I wonder what the difference is between a FMIC and aftermarket SMIC in this case. Anybody know?

[Beer Baron]

i reckon it will probably be just as good if not better. theoretically the bigger the cooler the MORE suscpetible to heat soak, not less. as the smaller core my get heat soaked quicker, but it can also shed that head much quicker. plus the SMICs are in a nice little duct and have a large amount of air passing through them. the FMIC are often installed poorly and have massive air gaps all around, and not much space behind (and generally and AC core and radiator) so they get poor air flow through the core.

edit: FTR I run a stock GTR front mount on my GTR and have an ARC side mount for the GTST.

[strydes]

i think that your power aspirations are a key factor in SMIC vs FMIC. personally, i am looking at around 200rwkw, with an emphasis on response which i believe will be well within the range of my trust cooler. furthermore, i'm hoping to do that with as little boost as possible, but we shall see

digging through the memory archives, SydneyKid did a comparison some time ago where he upgraded his stagea sidemount to an R34 sidemount and was able to generally work out the extra volume and flow requirements for his power goals, and i tried to apply the same formula to my new trust one from the standard one and worked out that assuming at least the same flow rate across the core from old to new, it would be conservatively capable of up to 220rwkw, well within my requirements.

[nuffsaid]

I have no doubt that it will be capable of handling that power, just a matter of whether in hot weather whether the power will be better with a FMIC or SMIC

[fEkuaR]

..... whoops double post

Edited September 14, 2006 by fEkuaR

[fEkuaR]

i'm not sure about the arc but I have a trust sidemount and it seems to be really good (piccy attached). i will find out for sure on monday when my power fc goes in and gets tuned

are you chasing information on the unit or do you want to buy one?

Id like a bit of information ive already got one i just havnt even been able to find units like these advertised yours looks very similiar to mine. Although it isnt identical.

Beer Baron do you have a pic of the ARC unit you have?

[strydes]

if discussing the significance of the location, i would imagine it would have similar airflow either way. in looking at the primary objectives of an intercooler it is to a) cool the air whilst b) providing as little pressure drop as possible.

for a) a sidemount should comfortably cool pressurised air within a boost range up to around 13-15 psi and for b) as long as the piping is all smooth and the core and end tanks of good quality, will flow well and have equal pressure drop than a similar quality front mount.

the major difference i think is that a front mount (and it's associated piping) have much greater volume which is excellent for large volumes of air eg. lots of boost, but with a fairly mildly modified gts-t, this can be a negative as it will take longer to fill and therefore affect response negatively.

[Beer Baron]

Beer Baron do you have a pic of the ARC unit you have?

none handy, but the ARC coolers I've seen all have a little plaque on them with the car type, and a serial number. plus you can see the inlet side of the tubes are fluted. very nice cores.

[fEkuaR]

what exactly does fluted mean ? I didnt see any plate on it when it was out of the car however.

[Ronin 09]

www.arcinter.co.jp in case anyone hasn't figured it out yet

[fEkuaR]

www.arcinter.co.jp in case anyone hasn't figured it out yet

I cant see anything about sidemounts in there not saying it isnt there but its all in jiberish and isnt coming up properly think i need a language pack or someshit. Thanks for your help mate.

[govich]

Just as a note, something you might like to think about, intercoolers (aftercoolers) are a restriction. There are coolers which pose little to no restriction and you feel this as more responsive, but because the air just flows straight through them quickly, you don't get much actual cooling. Then you have others which are a big restriction (by design) and slow the air down a lot through them, and the increased time in the cooler means that the air actually drops in temperature far more, but the engine is less responsive because of the restriction. Ideally you want to match the cooler to what you want from the engine.

Not necessarily saying the ARC cooler isn't cooling air as much, just a thought.

Edited September 14, 2006 by govich