Interesting Bathurst Info.

[djr81]

Watching the Porkers across the top of the hill at Bathurst tells you an awful lot about where their c of g is compared with the V8's & then the old Group A cars.

[gtr660hp]

The R32GTR race record for the 1,000 ks' still stands.

cheers

its called no safety cars- cheers

[gtr660hp]

yep, or bring out the natural evoltion. the 2003 JGTC R34 GTR. i would reckon it would give the 2:06 a shake up. hell for old times sake slot skaiffe or richo behind the wheel. and hey, they JGTC car has *gasp restrictors on it too so only putting out around 500hp. drop those off it and give it around 650-700hp then we would really see a fast, late model touring car!

Now the R34 JGTC ill give you that one-even if the run vitually nothing from the road version 34GTR (inboard shocks-carbon brakes-any engine from the factory -the list is endless ) I was lucky enough to see a JGTC advan Supra at a Yoko test day at Qld raceway a few years ago and it ran 9-10 secs quicker than the V8 SC record- amazing piece of kit

Edited October 10, 2006 by gtr660hp

[djr81]

C'mon there was only nine of them on the weekend. Lasting about seventy two hours.

[gtr660hp]

C'mon there was only nine of them on the weekend. Lasting about seventy two hours.

Ha ha- yeah the safety car almost needed a driver change and brake pad change it did so many laps

[djr81]

Actually I have a half serious question. From watching the Konica & even the main game races - half the cars ended up it the wall (Or it appeared to be about that many).

Are the V8's a particularly difficult thing to drive on the limit. I understand they (like most cars) need to be set up to be taily to get good lap speed, but even so.

I have a suspicion that the dirty secret of the formula is that they are actually not very pleasant cars to drive.

[Sydneykid]

I have a track 32GTR and cant hold a candle to the 2007 Carrera cup car( mate of mine has 2 and leaves me eating dust at the track )-they lap 2:11 at Bathurst which is awesome for a 3.6l NA 400hp car-still say it makes the GTR rather slow looking

Want another equally meaningless comparison? Our F3 is much faster (QIR 1.07 versus 1.10) than the Porsche. With a restricted, 2 litre N/A engine and shitty narrow/small diameter Kumho control tyres. All for 1/3 the price of a Porka.

cheers

[Beer Baron]

Now the R34 JGTC ill give you that one-even if the run vitually nothing from the road version 34GTR (inboard shocks-carbon brakes-any engine from the factory -the list is endless ) I was lucky enough to see a JGTC advan Supra at a Yoko test day at Qld raceway a few years ago and it ran 9-10 secs quicker than the V8 SC record- amazing piece of kit

mm, i've never seen one in action in person. but I'm going to head over to watch this years season finale at Fuji Speedway in about 3 weeks. should be great. the JGTC cars are great. like you say they are practically zero in common with road cars, but they are restricted in power using air intake diameter restrictors, and they do have success ballast and min weights.

[Roy]

I think its more a fact that the pace is so hot these days they have to drive at the limit for too long a period/stint. Naturally errors result.

Still say GTRs drivers are even easier to rev up then Ferrari fans.

[djr81]

I think its more a fact that the pace is so hot these days they have to drive at the limit for too long a period/stint. Naturally errors result.

Still say GTRs drivers are even easier to rev up then Ferrari fans.

Fair point, but you can't really site fatigue as a factor in the 14 lapper support races, surely?

Is it just a case of "Got sideways & ran out of talent?" The Porkers didn't seem to suffer quite so badly.

[gtr660hp]

I think its more a fact that the pace is so hot these days they have to drive at the limit for too long a period/stint. Naturally errors result.

Still say GTRs drivers are even easier to rev up then Ferrari fans.

Ha ha Im both a GTR driver and a Ferrari fan- no hope for me

[gtr660hp]

Want another equally meaningless comparison? Our F3 is much faster (QIR 1.07 versus 1.10) than the Porsche. With a restricted, 2 litre N/A engine and shitty narrow/small diameter Kumho control tyres. All for 1/3 the price of a Porka.

cheers

at least my meaninless comparison didnt compare an open wheel race car to a tin top

[Roy]

Fair point, but you can't really site fatigue as a factor in the 14 lapper support races, surely?

Is it just a case of "Got sideways & ran out of talent?" The Porkers didn't seem to suffer quite so badly.

Every driver pushes, and every driver has pushed too far and had a lose. Many at Bathurst, hell I recall Lowndes proving he is capable of silly mistakes on several occassions. Jim Richards has binned cars. Brock has binned cars, Larry. You could put almost every driver on that list.

So, “running out of talent”, whislt I hear what you are saying…it probably isn’t the tone required for the situation.

My main concern is flags, and how yellow means only no overtaking. Not caution and slow to ensure you are in full control of the car and ready for the sh1tfight that may lay ahead. Instead drivers hammer through local yellows scared of conceding or giving away ground on another competitor. It shouldn’t be allowed to happen

[hrd-hr30]

I have a Fujitsu V8SC car and let me tell you we are very limited in many areas also---live rear axles for fk sake and 10:1 comp ratio, 7500 limiter, in a 5 Litre pushrod V8 on 98 pump fuel. 2 wheel drive with shty little 280/680 17 in slicks and the cars are closer 1500kg with fuel and driver-so our 'Taxis' still arnt bad for what they are especially compared to 'mighty' GTR -I have a track 32GTR and cant hold a candle to the 2007 Carrera cup car( mate of mine has 2 and leaves me eating dust at the track )-they lap 2:11 at Bathurst which is awesome for a 3.6l NA 400hp car-still say it makes the GTR rather slow looking (I know 1992 is a long time ago but lets face it the GTR is old technolgy now compared to these new German rockets)

and saying lets strip out the GTR blah blah - well if thats your logic lets strip my V8 down to 1100kg and ill strap on 2 turbos if you want a level playing field

completely missed the point! if you want a comparison of GTR and V8 Falcadore on a level playing field, have a look at the Group A results where they couldn't handicap the GTR enough to stop it winning. If you think your supercab is ever going to be a fair comparison to a production based GTR you're as delusional as the people who thought the Monaro is better than Ferrari, Lamborghini etc based on the Nations Cup 24hr fiasco of a couple of years ago!

[gtr660hp]

Actually I have a half serious question. From watching the Konica & even the main game races - half the cars ended up it the wall (Or it appeared to be about that many).

Are the V8's a particularly difficult thing to drive on the limit. I understand they (like most cars) need to be set up to be taily to get good lap speed, but even so.

I have a suspicion that the dirty secret of the formula is that they are actually not very pleasant cars to drive.

Correct- they are hard to drive-heavy under tyred car with a H patern dogbox and the handling of a cattletruck if not set up well-they also dont give much warning when about to let go due to lack of finese and feel and this really shows up at a place like Bathurst where if you are 5cm off line then you are a big chance to wall it

[hrd-hr30]

Now the R34 JGTC ill give you that one-even if the run vitually nothing from the road version 34GTR

yeah, nice one! - shall we count the number of components V8 Supercars share with the road going versions? :lol

[gtr660hp]

completely missed the point! if you want a comparison of GTR and V8 Falcadore on a level playing field, have a look at the Group A results where they couldn't handicap the GTR enough to stop it winning. If you think your supercab is ever going to be a fair comparison to a production based GTR you're as delusional as the people who thought the Monaro is better than Ferrari, Lamborghini etc based on the Nations Cup 24hr fiasco of a couple of years ago!

you missed my point which was that the old Falcadore's are not to shabby at 2:08 laps for what they are- I have more than 1 GTR at home and really enjoy them but anyone who thinks GTR's in this day and age are the biggest baddest fastest thing around needs to stop reading 1990 wheels magazines and realise Expo 88 in Brisbane is over and that there are a number of cars on the market now that shit all over them-end of story

[hrd-hr30]

Correct- they are hard to drive-heavy under tyred car with a H patern dogbox and the handling of a cattletruck if not set up well-they also dont give much warning when about to let go due to lack of finese and feel...

ah, the pinacle of racing in Australia! never heard it summarised quite so eloquently!

[gtr660hp]

yeah, nice one! - shall we count the number of components V8 Supercars share with the road going versions? :lol

at least the panels and body shape is the same-unlike JGTC (Super GT now)

[hrd-hr30]

you missed my point which was that the old Falcadore's are not to shabby at 2:08 laps for what they are- I have more than 1 GTR at home and really enjoy them but anyone who thinks GTR's in this day and age are the biggest baddest fastest thing around needs to stop reading 1990 wheels magazines and realise Expo 88 in Brisbane is over and that there are a number of cars on the market now that shit all over them-end of story

is your GTR basically a silhouette machine with a spaceframe chassis squeezed inside the monocouque body and everything purpose built for the racecar, or is it a production car with some tweaking? production block, gearbox, diffs, suspension design etc???

my point is that for all those advantages, 1 second per km faster than a 1992 GTR that was knobbled to within an inch of its life is nothing to brag about.