Epa Notices Who Gives Them For Littering?

[[SKYXTC]]

Hey guys,

Just got an EPA notice for a front male passenger throwing out a cigarette packet?? bit weird considering that at the alleged time and alleged place I had a female passenger (and not 1 that looks like a male!) heh and she knows better than to smoke in my car and did not throw any cigarette packets out the window. Firstly, who is it that gives these EPA notices out? Can any member of the public just dob in any number plate and allege that an offence was committed. Secondly, is it a sufficient argument that my passenger was not MALE therefore the alleged offence may also have been a mistake?

[Mr. Oizo]

yep

theres a 1800 number for it

[dezz]

anyone can report it with forms too. My outdoor ed teacher in year 12 was a hippy, and printed out a shit load of the forms for us encouraging us to dob people in...

they're a4 forms, but he reduced them to get 2 on a page, and used recycled paper

[[SKYXTC]]

So the chances of getting out of it are good?

[dezz]

From what my teacher told us, if we were going to send a complaint in, we needed a witness.

We also needed to be willing to go to court and testify that it was true etc if the person chose to dispute it...

How much was the fine?

you need to work out if you want to dispute it...is it worth disputing etc

[[SKYXTC]]

fine is $215 so worth disputing...2 FEMALE passengers in the car who can be witnesses...?

[dezz]

I meant the person reporting it is supposed to have a witness to report it...someone that was with them at the time...

The forms we were given, had time, date, what road it was on, what direction etc...witness name and signature...

You have the right to contest it. It should say it somewhere on the fine....and tell you how to go about it.

Having 2 passengers with you will help as you have witnesses that can back your story up....and the fact that the person that reported it said it was a male passenger, can only work in your favor.

[[SKYXTC]]

Yeah the letter has a stat dec on the back...I guess I'll fill that out...some assholes out there!!

[saff_cossie]

My g/f's brother got one of these for throwing a cigarette butt out of his window on Church St, Brighton of all places. He doesnt even smoke in his car. From what I know they can be contested but are extremely difficult to get out and he ended up paying. Can be good but open to a lot of misinterpretation by over zealous members of the public who dont like a car/person who "may" not be doing anything wrong.

[Kaz200]

The general public can also do it online once they register and get approved by the EPA and you don't need a witness to make a report.

You do need alot of details about the car, location, who was driving and what kind of litter (eg cig butt or rubbish etc).

They have 4 weeks to submit reports and it's considered a stat dec so they have to be willing to testify in court.

You know shopping centre carparks are also considered public roads so if you drop something outside the car you can get a fine too.

Cigarette butts are about $200 from memory.

Also trucks can be reported if something falls off the back of the truck (eg a nice bit of timber at 100k/hr, its happened to me before) or have an unsecured load etc.

Anyway I know all this caus some prick threw a can or something at my car at 100k/hr and it barely missed going in the window and hitting my passenger (f'ing prick)

[[SKYXTC]]

Some prick probably had something against my car..but why say male passenger when I very clearly had 2 female passengers heh

I don't smoke myself and don't allow smoking in my car so noone would have been throwing out cigarette packets from my car...I will contest this and should this proceed to court I will fight this there...Not really fair that you can dob anyone in even if they haven't done anything wrong...ridiculous trust system we have in place

[Swiper the Fox]

' date='28 Sep 2006, 11:49 PM' post='2538546']

Some prick probably had something against my car..but why say male passenger when I very clearly had 2 female passengers heh

I don't smoke myself and don't allow smoking in my car so noone would have been throwing out cigarette packets from my car...I will contest this and should this proceed to court I will fight this there...Not really fair that you can dob anyone in even if they haven't done anything wrong...ridiculous trust system we have in place

Only an approved/acredited officer appointed by the EPA can report/fine an offence. Stacey is an approved person in her LGA (local government area) to report/fine such an offence and has no juristiction outside of her LGA boundaries. So id say it was a local government person who viewed the alleged offence.

[KamikazeR33]

if proved wrong the other 2 ppl can goto jail and/or be fined for false statements

[[SKYXTC]]

But how can such a thing be proven? Especially if it is not true? I had 2 females in the car and the statement states a male passenger had thrown a cigarette packet out the window...there was no male passenger...

[[SKYXTC]]

oh and I just looked at the EPA website and found the form that ANYONE can fill out if they see any litter being thrown from a car so you do not have to be a local government person...it can be completed by anyone

[Kaz200]

' date='29 Sep 2006, 12:48 AM' post='2538620']

oh and I just looked at the EPA website and found the form that ANYONE can fill out if they see any litter being thrown from a car so you do not have to be a local government person...it can be completed by anyone

See! why do you ppl always insist on arguing with me when I'm always... well.. generally right NER

[Frunknmont]

Yeah anybody can report anybody, every now and again they will run radio ads advertising the number to call to report these offences. Been tempted too call it myself on occasion when Im stuck behind some old shitter belching smoke all over the place. Also one time my dad got reported twice at 1 set of lights for throwing his cig butts out the window, me thinks he smokes far too much

[mr_crust]

i got done for the same thing, male driver in a red coupe (my honda) throwing a drink container out of the car.

this was complete rubbish , yes i was in the area but i had a cinema ticket at the time of the incident , so i couldnt have been there..also in my case they claimed it was 7pm , but as it wasnt daylight savings and heavy rain how can they report it from 200m away.

so with that in mind i went to court over it and after the first meeting sort of thing they told me my case is goign to be pushed back 9months and it started doing my head in as i was 18 at the time.

but unless they have photo or video evidence u will get done, but if its your word against there's it will just get kicked out out of court.

also the witness name is at the bottom of the slip they sent you, and if you go to court they must be present (good time to see there face and follow them home) in my case it was a council worker and when the case went to court for just the hearing he didnt turn up as he quite the council ...and when i rang the council they told me he went on a 2wk holiday, so they f**king shafted me bad...dirty liers

so instead of waiting 9 months for the 2nd hearing, i went to pay the $215, then i get told its $260 when i asked why they explain becuase i went to court and everyday the fine hasnt been paid up until the day of the case i have to pay a dollar per day...

my day of revenge will come bill s.....

[SKY031]

From what I know they can be contested but are extremely difficult to get out and he ended up paying.

Not hard to get out of at all.

Contest it.

It's their word against yours.

They send these out hoping that people will just pay them without question.

[[SKYXTC]]

I just find it ridiculous and amusing at the same time as I am a non smoker who has undergone 2 major heart operations and accusing me or anyone in my car of throwing out a cigarette packet is ... of all things...weird...