Noosa Historic Hill Climb!

[Thunderbolt]

Well I think that it is great to see all the old cars out and about on the hills. They may not be as quick as the modern cars, but they have a lot more character. Hearing cars with big carbies with large cams is just spine chilling.

I say let it be, although it would be good to open up the hillclimb for other events.

I particularly discourage more than an enthusiastic drive up there while the road is open though. Have you ever sat somewhere quiet, and then heard a car with a revving and tyres squeeling? For some people that can be downright scary, because you don't know who is driving or what their capability is, or even if they are pissed or on drugs. You pray to god that it will end okay, but crashes happen and you think that you might be about to hear one. If you have ever been witness to serious crash, you can live with those scars for life so you can imagine how people feel when they hear a car racing that shouldn't be doing it there at that time.

[r33_racer]

You know fellas everyone is entitled to an opinion. You dont have to come out with the harsh comments and cracks...to me thats getting rather immature and unneccesary, even for you josh. Im not having a go at you, or anyone else just stating its gone from a civil argument to stupidly slanderous remarks.

[Turbo Tim]

I'm ashamed to own a skyline about now. The number of hero racers!

[Squizz]

I wish I could drive up a Mountain.

[hrd-hr30]

I suppose my 32 gtr i used to own was a slapped together car? Seam welded body with welded in cage, close to 10k of suspension work, stripped out interior minus two fixed back front seats, titanium bits and pieces and over 300awkw with very low boost threshold and the most torque i have experienced in a car, oh and it was running advan a048s allround.

I'm sure it would have left ur 32 for dead around a circuit but, hey i'm 24 so i guess that means you'd win.

The guy who bought it is on this forum, perhaps you'd like to go to a track day at qr and show how much better your experience makes you.

oh, titanium bits - it must be fast looks like Jyo's? If so, it still needs a fair bit of suspension sorting. With the spring rates it had before there is no chance of it being very quick on the Noosa Hillclimb.

But to say our, or my cars for that matter are slapped together is a joke.

My fathers RUF 911 he had, has extensive race history in the late 1980’s when it was in California, then fast forward to when it was a club car when first imported to Australia in Tasmania to when VIP Pet Foods bought the car and completely rebuilt it for track work. Far cry from any SLAPPED together “teen” racer.

and a far cry from some modern car slapped together and driven by a teenager, running jap teins and street tyres

is your father a teenager? does his porsche run jap tiens? obviously I wasn't talking about that car. so why keep mentioning your rich daddy and his cars?

I don’t normally make violent threats on the Internet, as its well quite beneath me, but I encourage you to come up to Noosa, just so I can drop you on the ground. Before you jump on the assault soapbox, it won’t be the first time my family has gotten me off those

clearly it isn't beneath you! you have a massively over-inflated sense of self-worth if you think I'd bother driving all the way to Noosa to accomodate your challenge, but its probably all just more talk anyway - just more of your internet bragging. Grow up mate.

Id have to agree with Josh, you are making a fool out of yourself.. Ive been out to mount cotton a number of times and done conciderably well... The person we continually refer too as the crazy 31 driver will beat just about anyone around the mount cotton circuit and his uncle still holds alot of the records for it... So if i told u the 31 driver got round mt cotton in less than a minute i suppose id be lieing, but im not, so bite your tongue buddy, im not gonna brag about my own times

1 minute at Mt Cotton Hillclimb is nothing to be bragging about! and what does his uncle's times have to do with anything?

And to call my car a "slapped together teen racer with teins" you must be a complete idiot or have been living in a hole. My car is pioneering R n D into the modified nissan V8 scene, the car that people didnt believe that could possibly have existed, the car that many driving instructors said "its the most well balanced car ive ever driven" and the car that couldnt possibly be anything more then a slapped together teen race.

I was pretty obviously referring to the cars who Nismo_Boy claims the really fast times for Noosa Hillclimb. Was yours one of them? Its nice that you're sticking up for your mates, but what does your car have to do with how fast they are on Noosa Hillclimb?

I can't keep up with all this - one minute its about how fast a couople of you kids are in an S13 and a R32 and next minute it's everything from Daddy's VIP Porsche to someone's V8 R33 drag car, and someone else and his uncle!

flame away

Edited November 15, 2006 by hrd-hr30

[Nismo_Boy]

What do any of your replies have to do with anything for that mater?

The original point, which has completely gone thanks to your stupid posts were, numerous Nissans running quick times on JUST GYDNDIER DRIVE. No mention of other racetracks, times, records.

Teach a parrot enough words long enough, and he’ll be saying them clear and constant.

You seem so narrow minded and just can't see past people who have driven that road for, as long as its been the “Hill climb” are able to run what is a very impressive time in a well set up, well sorted car – That is a far car from any slapped together, small budget “teen racer”.

Age, and dedicated legal track time, for “competition” experience should have nothing to do with it? Who are half dozen “teenagers” racing against? No one, except our selves.

You can’t keep up with this thread? You are the one who keeps changing it, needing car and racing profiles from everyone for reassurance? Which then in turns brings in new information, which you feel the need to pull apart and quote.

You seem to know what your talking about, which is a plus considering the majority of people on here, are just members as they own a Skyline, why don’t you share some of your credentials?

Obviously you were meaning all the cars I had originally mentioned times for, including the RUF. It wasn’t until I made mention in one of my last post’s it was, well and ex race car your attitude did a complete flip, and concentrated just on the Nissans.

It’s understandable that your sour, at people like us. Jealousy is a bitch. Then again, I don’t know you; you could buy all of us for all I know. Chance’s are you can’t however. Take a bunch of wealthy kids with the opportunity to have superior streetcars to most, and put them on a road long enough, they are going to break something, and it’s not the cars that’ll brake.

As for John (NA_R33) and our buddy in the R31, they would have to be some of the most experienced and quickest drivers I have seen. My money is on they’ve kicked your ass out at Mt Cotton more then once.

I don’t need to brag on the Internet, anyone (most old school SAU People) who have met me, will know this. Refer to my constant reassurance paragraph you clearly need.

I’m fully aware my “self-worth” is ridiculously large; to sum me up in person I’ll just quote myself.

Egotistical, pretensous, arrogant prick.

Edited November 16, 2006 by Nismo_Boy

[Keegs]

hrd-hr30: From what your saying above you believe that the cars that race in the noosa hillclimb are basicly as good as it gets and no modern car could possibly beat them, no matter how its "slapped" together?

In addition to this you believe anyone thats 20years old and doesnt race at events 24/7 cannot drive? And finally a 20yr old could never beat the people that drive in the noosa hillclimb, because they are all seasoned racers that are just, that good? Please!

Does this about sum it up?

Surely its no so hard to believe that a well set up jap car could do quick times and surely its not so hard to assume that a 20 year old driving that car could do those times given that they drive that car on a daily basis and regulary drive that road?

I guess seen as you know josh and everyone else on here so well you know that its just not possible....did you ever think that maybe it just is possible? That the people racing in the noosa hillclimb arent in the fastest cars and dont set the fastest times humanly possible? Maybe im wrong but I think that there's the slightest possibility that your wrong.

I guess everyone has theyre own opinion and clearly you arent open to possibilities other than your own.

Edited November 16, 2006 by 33NIZ

[`nigno]

Hahahah that Nissan is gonna be done in 2 weeks Joshie... ill post up a full spec list and pics when its done... then we'll see if its a low budget teen racer ROFLMAO!!!!

[Nismo_Boy]

I wish I could drive up a Mountain.

You can’t Jay; you are in your “20 something” age bracket and own a modern Nissan. It’s just not possible for you to run quick at all.

Haha, LOVE YOU LONG TIME SQUIZZY

Hahahah that Nissan is gonna be done in 2 weeks Joshie... ill post up a full spec list and pics when its done... then we'll see if its a low budget teen racer ROFLMAO!!!!

This car is going to an out right machine, just needed some love, endless time and dedication from someone like your self. Unfortunately for me I wasn’t able to do that at the time.

Mass love for the car James! I want some passenger seat erection time when she is back.

Catch ya on the 30th buddy :sorcerer:

[AzzurrA]

geez guys... put your e-penises away

[hrd-hr30]

hrd-hr30: From what your saying above you believe that the cars that race in the noosa hillclimb are basicly as good as it gets and no modern car could possibly beat them, no matter how its "slapped" together?

not what I'm saying at all. I just don't believe these guys are running as fast as the open wheelers, like they claim. I have raced against some of these open wheelers at a number of places including Mt Cotton (we're talking Hillclimbs, not the skid pan ffs ) and Noosa over the years and know just how fast they are. No 600bhp S13 on street tyres is ever going to challenge the likes of Warwick Hutchinson's open wheeler on any hillclimb. I don't care how good Josh (or his mates) thinks he is...

In addition to this you believe anyone thats 20years old and doesnt race at events 24/7 cannot drive?

well there's exceptions to every rule, but the odds are heavily stacked in my favour! You very rarely see a first timer at any event set the world on fire. But as I said before, I'd love to see them do an event - I'd gladly eat my words if they're as good as they say they are. And it would be nice to have a few more modern cars competing up here.

And finally a 20yr old could never beat the people that drive in the noosa hillclimb, because they are all seasoned racers that are just, that good? Please!

not at all. most of the guys runniing in the hysterics are complete duds. And alot of them will happily admit that they are just there for fun. But they are very different from the guys in their open wheelers running the kind of times that Nismo_Boy claimed he can do in his S13. Yes, they are seasoned racers, and yes they are pretty bloody good. And so are thier formula libre hillclimb specials.

Does this about sum it up?

no

Surely its no so hard to believe that a well set up jap car could do quick times and surely its not so hard to assume that a 20 year old driving that car could do those times given that they drive that car on a daily basis and regulary drive that road?

I've never suggested that a well setup Jap car couldn't do quick times, and yes it definitely should beat the old Toranas etc. But if you had any idea, you'd realise how ridiculous the notion that they would wipe the floor with the open wheeler hillclimb specials is!

I guess seen as you know josh and everyone else on here so well you know that its just not possible....did you ever think that maybe it just is possible? That the people racing in the noosa hillclimb arent in the fastest cars and dont set the fastest times humanly possible? Maybe im wrong but I think that there's the slightest possibility that your wrong.

maybe it is possible that josh is as good as he and his mates claim, and maybe he is as fast as the open wheelers, but its highly bloody unlikely mate! Like I said, I know some of those guys in the open wheelers, and I know how insanely fast they are. I'll take the odds that Josh and his 600bhp S13 wouldn't know which way Warwick's open wheeler went! Maybe he is quick, but I'll bet he's nowhere near that quick! I'll also bet my bottom dollar you haven't seen these open wheelers and their drivers in action!

Perhaps you should go and have a look at the results of the recent Australia Hillclimb Championships run in Bathurst a few weeks ago. They ran the Esses Hillclimb, which is really a power track with only 2 real corners, where you come to the Dipper in the reverse direction. Everything else is pretty much full throttle acceleration apart from turn 1 just after the start, and even the fastest of the sedans, an extremely modified 260Z with awd running gear and 600bhp couldn't match the open wheelers there - it was 13th outright. It would have no hope on a tight course like Noosa! The fastest LM turbo was a R32 GTR, which by all accounts was a pretty impressive car driven very well. He was about 6 seconds off the best of the Formula Libres and 28h outright. He did really well in amongst the Sport Sedan times! And he certainly wouldn't have been on normal street tyres! But I bet he'd be no match for Nismo_Boy - after all he can run damn near as fast as Neil Farr's open wheeler! who, by the way, was 5th outright at the Australian Championships...

maybe you're right, I take it all back! Josh's S13 on street rubber without any race experience except up there on the public road every day would be right up there with Neil and the best hillclimbers in the country, not to mention one or two from the UK... I don't know what I was thinking questioning his times! shame josh didn't still have his world beating S13 and couldn't enter...

Edited November 16, 2006 by hrd-hr30

[Nismo_Boy]

Yet again, you missed the point.

The road in question is GYDNDIER DRIVE, NOOSA. Not any other road, track or fu*king country.

You seem to talk down Street tires? Hardly run Bob Jane All Rounders.. Different league of racing, but les talk RH9 cars? Street tires.. Not all of them are shite you know.

The point is, the times are done on one road, Gydndier Drive, in incredibly quick, and well set up cars. I sense disbelief about this said S13? I encourage you to track down #33 of ZOOM; at the present time of the write up it was the fastest street registered S13 Silvia in Australia and New Zealand.

You keep asking me to reproduce these times on another track? Or race a certain type of car, or person. I have no doubt in my mind I could not come close ON ANOTHER track, however will stake a large sum of money I would hold my own game well enough, once used to said track and car. Of course, you would have to define what ones game was to be held, in order to establish what the outcome is.

As you keep missing what we are discussing here, these cars, one road. Not these cars, any other track and or road.

I never said I don’t have "race experience", I said I had limited being on a closed track, not road. This does not make one any less capable, enough money, the right people, tuition and cars generally helps.

The fact I choose not to spend countless hours on a legal track is completely irrelevant. What is done on one can and is done on open roads, all bar less safe and not legal.

We could sit here and dispute about this until time ended. The fact is, we know this road well enough, we have/had cars equipped well enough to do these times on this road, also, speaking for myself as I can't for the other’s I honestly did not care if I wrote my car off, so pushed it a lot harder then most would.

[Keegs]

I'll also bet my bottom dollar you haven't seen these open wheelers and their drivers in action!

I'll take all your money anytime its convenient for you, ive seen the noosa hillclimb many times as well as other targa and hillclimb events. I'll open a bank account for you and you can transfer said funds. I've seen their skills and their cars. Both are very impresive. But they race the noosa hillclimb once a yr. Not more than once a week. One grows acustom to a track when you are on it close to every day.

Thing is, like josh is saying your thinking way to big. We arent comparing open wheelers to regular track cars and we aren't comparing national events and drivers to josh and or other peoples skills. What we are trying to say is the times spoken about arent impossible for a car set up in the correct manner (be it a jap import) and driven to its full potential (be it by a 20yo) on any given day at GYDNDIER DRIVE. Not at any other meet.

Is an open wheeler faster than a normal car. Well yes in usual circumstances you would hope so, otherwise what is the point in their existance. However either way this can't be proved so I dont believe that anyone can rule out the possibility that a fast jap car set up correctly, with a driver possessing a ton of experience on the road could set slightly slower times.

Edited November 16, 2006 by 33NIZ

[«Cyph3r»]

oh, titanium bits - it must be fast

I was just making the point that it had time and money spent on lowering the mass of the car as well as increasing power without reducing the responsiveness too much, seems that your into racing so much i thought you would realise how the benefits of reducing weight outweigh the benefits of increasing power.

looks like Jyo's? If so, it still needs a fair bit of suspension sorting. With the spring rates it had before there is no chance of it being very quick on the Noosa Hillclimb.

I wasn't saying that the car, as you correctly guessed now Jyo's, is quick on gyndier drive as i only took it up there once or twice as it was setup for smooth roads, such as well maintained race tracks. I was merely pointing out that all 20 something year olds skylines are not merely slapped together cars with "common well known parts" like Tein coilovers and so on.

[AzzurrA]

i'm not trying to offend you or Jyo here Cyph3r, but that car needs alot of suspension work before it would make a 'good' track car (i make this comment after watching how it handles at track days etc)

[Turbo Tim]

A few things get me about this thread.

1. People suggesting that sliding corners is generally quicker than correct and quick lines. Maybe you guys should be formula 1 engineers. Rally cars might yes, but on bitumen they aren't as taily. Really tight hairpins seem to be the domain of handbreaks, but thats a neccessity.

2. You drive a lot harder on a closed circuit or road than one open to the public, I have experienced that many a time that is unless of course you are lacking that self preservation instinct that most people have or any common sense.

3. Why is everyone here a hero driver but without much to back it up. Most the good drivers I know (people who are sucessful at motorsport) are really quite modest about it.

I have also seen this phonomen of people that are quick supposedly on open roads and flat out suck in real competition. Same thing in townsville with the mt. stuart hillclimb, plenty of people talking it up (often skylines) then failing miserably when it came to the event. Ironically however the hill record is held by a skyline, be it a certain forum member in a black r32 gtr.

[«Cyph3r»]

i'm not trying to offend you or Jyo here Cyph3r, but that car needs alot of suspension work before it would make a 'good' track car (i make this comment after watching how it handles at track days etc)

Lol, maybe it just felt quick because it was so twitchy?

I concede defeat.

1. People suggesting that sliding corners is generally quicker than correct and quick lines. Maybe you guys should be formula 1 engineers. Rally cars might yes, but on bitumen they aren't as taily. Really tight hairpins seem to be the domain of handbreaks, but thats a neccessity.

The corners on gyndier esp all the right handers tend to be pretty tight. Not picking an argument for a change, but are you familiar with the track?

[85URK]

hey cock and ballz, why dont u put forward to the noosa shire council for an event for the sau club, have an off street meet with the club there as an annual event, u never know , they mite let you.

Edited November 16, 2006 by 85URK

[Keegs]

turbo tim: if you had read the thread and knew the track maybe your comment would be useful rather than trying to state something when you dont realise the context in which we are speaking. The track at gyndier is very tight and regardless of this, NOONE SAID that drifting the track would be quicker, jamie <<cyph3r>> merely stated that sometimes its quicker to slide a corner than take a conventional racing line.

We quite obviously aren't talking formula one racing technique as you so sarcasticly pointed out. Nor are we saying this technique would be ideal for use of all corners at gyndier or at any other track.

[85URK]

i love a great debate lol keep em coming, but i really think that only having one event up there a year is a waste of road, so that is why some1 in a club, ( even sau since we are discussing it) maybe should contact the coucil and even enquire about using the road for an event, see what is the criterior for actually using the road, since they have now closed it off.

but like they say, u never know if u dont try.....