Xforce Vs Ces

[shoebox]

Which turboback exhaust system would you go for?

According to the CES brochure, their exhausts are able to produce a 40+kw gain from stock, and the stainless steel system includes silver ceramic coated mild steel twin dump pipe (coated inside/out) and stainless steel pipework.

I haven't checked out the XForce yet, but according to comments from this forum, it really does look not bad. The CES is like twice the price, and with that price difference, I could do a lot of other stuff!

http://www.xforce.com.au/

http://www.cesracing.com.au/

Anyone used any of these systems before? What do you think about it?

[R31Nismoid]

Whichever is cheapest, mild steel is fine

its all the same stuff really

[Taso84]

BOS importing SS $380 for front/dump

trust PE2 catback SS = $900

Hi-flow Cat = cant remember the brand but cost 300-400

Get SS unless u want to be replacing it after a few years,

Dont go cheap on the exhaust, its 1 of the most important mods and prob the hishest KW gain/dollar spent u will achieve.

[R31Nismoid]

Mild steel will last more than "a few years"

Your driving a turbocharged car, exhaust temps are quite high etc etc

I plan to run a mild steel exhaust on mine, and i expect it to outlive the life of most other parts on the car without a doubt

[shoebox]

I've heard from the mechanic that mild steel is pretty good unless you damage or scratch it by going over bumps...

when that happens, servicing would be necessary to prevent rusting/etc...

the exhaust is a pretty impt upgrade, which is why i'm really torn between these two options! but i'm really wondering if the performance difference is that great to justify the costs?

[JCMarshall_Law]

Get the Xforce Cat back in mild steel, 'proper' high flow cat (not Xforce) and get a CES Split dump pipe.

With the same specs cat back exhausts pretty much the same performance wise. Don't bother with a cheap 'hi flow' cat they are probably not high flow. CES split dump pipes are a great bit of gear, better in every way than the cheap Xforce dump.

My advice based on experience.

Edited October 22, 2006 by JCMarshall_Law

[mad082]

there is nothing wrong with the x-force cat.

and there is nothing wrong with mild steel.

[Abo Bob]

I'm torn. I have a partial CES system (with the rest Fujitsubo) and it works great but you're right about having money left over for other things. Shit, there's enough spare cash for a set of cams there.

I voted mild steel xforce but it's a tough decision.

I would think that you will end up within about 10-15 rwkw from worst to best but maybe run less boost on the better ones. This should mean less stress on other components and some minor fuel efficiency gains.

[T04GTR]

all dnt line up for shit. i hate fitting them. its like they drop there jigs and keep on making them regardless.

ive had to make 3 cuts in a x-force dump pipe at one stage.

ps.. the stainless two piece ones seem to fit alot better.

id personaluy go for a kakimoto or something thats decent quality

pss. the ces ones like to break off at the turbo disharge flange

[RedDrifter]

The xforce mild steel zorst is fine.

I've had mine for well over 3 years now and its doing fine still.

For $850 you cant go wrong.

[CEF11E]

BOS importing front/dump pipe $380

Metalcat 3" hiflow cat with flanges $345

3.5 xforce catback $450

all up less than $1200 for the best flowing stainless turbo back.

the xforce systems are quite loud.

Don't skimp on the front pipe and the cat spend your money there and just buy an xforce catback.

[EvilINGT]

Ive got the exact same system as above in all stainless, except had to put in a 10cm section between cat and catback, as ive got a sedan.

Yeah the x-force is loud, but you can control the sound with your right foot.

cheers

Evil

[eMsta]

BOS importing SS $380 for front/dump

trust PE2 catback SS = $900

Hi-flow Cat = cant remember the brand but cost 300-400

haha - thats what I got - and I recommend it too - works really well

[RPR33]

I'd just go the x-force I have one and its fine!!

Mild steel will last years the odds are you'll end up selling the car before the zorst starts to die..

Maybe a new high flow cat if your really after power but mine made 175kw on 9psi with it + frount mount.

[shoebox]

BOS importing front/dump pipe $380

Metalcat 3" hiflow cat with flanges $345

3.5 xforce catback $450

all up less than $1200 for the best flowing stainless turbo back.

the xforce systems are quite loud.

Don't skimp on the front pipe and the cat spend your money there and just buy an xforce catback.

This configuration sounds good! Maybe i'll go for the mild steel version of this. If i still have the car when the mild steel exhaust gives up, i'll just upgrade it to a better one ^_^

I was actually thinking of getting a HKS system but... they're too expensive! Sad.

Edit: Wait. This is legal in QLD and VIC, right? I don't wanna get hauled in for emission or noise level and get defected.

[shoebox]

Anyone know of a good place to get these parts?

I only managed to find the BOS importing one around on the forum as a business trader.

Justjap.com doesn't carry any of them...

[tuitahi]

Yep, just organise the BOS split dump from BATMBL on the forums in the trader section.

I had the BOS split dump, CATCO stainless 5 inch cat and Nismo cat back. Power went from 140 rwkw to 185 rwkw. Same dyno same day!

[shoebox]

Yep, just organise the BOS split dump from BATMBL on the forums in the trader section.

I had the BOS split dump, CATCO stainless 5 inch cat and Nismo cat back. Power went from 140 rwkw to 185 rwkw. Same dyno same day!

nismo cat back!?! damn! i want one!

now i'm just waiting for my mechanic to call back. brisbane's mercury motorsports provides really good service!

[CEF11E]

the metal cat can be bought from the group buys section on these forums and the x force can be bought from ebay or just jap.

[666DAN]

I've got a CES combo, stainless split dump HPC coated. Mild steel through to the stainless muffler.

Gives and extremely good tough note, sits under legal dB range. Best money I've ever spent.

Previous cars I've gone the budget routes and ended up with either droney or power-robbing results...the guys at CES seriously know their shit and you'll leave 100% happy.