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scathing Grand Master

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no chance whatsoever of that actually being the case

look- Audi owns Lamborghini. they wont put a car into production with those specs at that price that would wipe out Gallardo/Murcielago sales now, would they?

The RS6 has got four doors, and doesn't wear an Italian badge. Its not a competitor.

The M6 is significantly more expensive than the M5, but its only a poofteenth faster since they're almost identical. Yet I doubt the sedan is cannibalising sales of the coupe.

If anything, the Audi R8 could conceivably take sales away from the Gallardo if it goes into production. It looks hot, and on paper it goes well, and it'll be cheaper than the Lambo. But the RS6 - no way.

Big Rizza Mentor

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no chance whatsoever of that actually being the case

look- Audi owns Lamborghini. they wont put a car into production with those specs at that price that would wipe out Gallardo/Murcielago sales now, would they?

also, just examine the market- an SL65 AMG Merc has TT 6L V12 with 450kw and it costs around $470K. how would one german manufacturer be able to produce a car with the same power as another, but with a more sophisticated drivetrain, and then have it cost around $200K less? :D

production version won't make more power than a Gallardo. guaranteed

Taking the Mercedes example, Merc released the SL55 AMG with the supercharged 5.4 litre V8. Not long after, they released the E55 AMG with the same supercharged 5.4 litre V8. Do you think Mercedes were worried about the E55 AMG killing the SL55 AMG sales? No, one is a fully decked out (S-class based) two door roadster, the other is a beefed-up family sedan. Mercedes were more worried about the BMW M5 butchering E55 sales if they DIDN'T give it such an engine. Audi will be thinking the same way - the RS6 is out there to go one up on the BMW M5 (just like the previous 450hp RS6 did against the old 400hp BMW M5), they will not be worried about Lamborghini sales. Audi have already tested the waters with two Gallardo engined cars already on sale today (Audi S6 and Audi S8), so I am sure that Lamborghini won't even blink at the thought of a twin turbo V10 Audi RS6.

But just to make sure, Lamborghini are rumoured to be developing a 5.5 litre version of the current 5.0 litre V10 making 600 horsepower to keep it ahead of the Ferrari F430, so there will be no worries what so ever about the RS6. Or Audi R8 for that matter.

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sh@un Grand Master

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The RS6 has got four doors, and doesn't wear an Italian badge. Its not a competitor.

The M6 is significantly more expensive than the M5, but its only a poofteenth faster since they're almost identical. Yet I doubt the sedan is cannibalising sales of the coupe.

If anything, the Audi R8 could conceivably take sales away from the Gallardo if it goes into production. It looks hot, and on paper it goes well, and it'll be cheaper than the Lambo. But the RS6 - no way.

you make a good point. people would prolly but Gallardos if they had an atmo V6 if the still looked like the way the do :laugh:

Taking the Mercedes example, Merc released the SL55 AMG with the supercharged 5.4 litre V8. Not long after, they released the E55 AMG with the same supercharged 5.4 litre V8. Do you think Mercedes were worried about the E55 AMG killing the SL55 AMG sales? No, one is a fully decked out (S-class based) two door roadster, the other is a beefed-up family sedan. Mercedes were more worried about the BMW M5 butchering E55 sales if they DIDN'T give it such an engine. Audi will be thinking the same way - the RS6 is out there to go one up on the BMW M5 (just like the previous 450hp RS6 did against the old 400hp BMW M5), they will not be worried about Lamborghini sales. Audi have already tested the waters with two Gallardo engined cars already on sale today (Audi S6 and Audi S8), so I am sure that Lamborghini won't even blink at the thought of a twin turbo V10 Audi RS6.

But just to make sure, Lamborghini are rumoured to be developing a 5.5 litre version of the current 5.0 litre V10 making 600 horsepower to keep it ahead of the Ferrari F430, so there will be no worries what so ever about the RS6. Or Audi R8 for that matter.

again, valid arguments

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With all this Audi discussion, I wonder if Porsche is worried about it's upcoming Panamera stealing 911 sales? Or Cayenne sales for that matter? Especially with rumours of 420kw twin turbo V8 and 500kw V10 versions...

SS8_Gohan Grand Master

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drove the twin turbo 3 coupe, and the old man is getting one in Jan. Definitely very quick, but ain't GTR territory. 0 - 100 round 5.8 i believe.

In terms of price, i believe the new V8 M3 of 2008 will be very similar price. around the $175k'ish mark. But, the new M3 is going to have to do a lot. But with the 335i coupe already close on the E46 M3, you know BMW will pull out something special for the next M3

on price alone, i think GTR v M3, will be quite similar. I daresay the GTR will demolish the new M3.

on skills alone, the main one is GTR v 997 Turbo. By all accounts, Nissan has got this one pretty much sorted as well :P

scathing Grand Master

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drove the twin turbo 3 coupe, and the old man is getting one in Jan. Definitely very quick, but ain't GTR territory

The new BMW E92 335i is barely as quick as the E46 BMW M3 (it'll keep up 0-100, but the more distance you put in the bigger the gap).

If that's the case, there's no way it'll compete with the E90/E92 BMW M3, potentially with a shortened version of the M5/M6's V10.

The BMW M3 has never been a GT-R competitor, in my opinion. Its always been too slow. The E46 did the Nurburgring in 8:2x, a far cry from the R34's 7:52 (to compare generations of each car released at the same time).

The 911 Turbo times are always on-par, which means that even the entry level Ferraris (360, etc) are no match, performance wise. The 430 is meant to be a significantly faster car than its predecessor, maybe even enough to keep up with the 997 Turbo and the next GT-R, but then again anyone looking at a Ferrari isn't going to buy a Nissan.

EDIT: Just read the rest of your post, and I realise I'm preaching to the educated. :P

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Having driven a F430 , it is ALOT faster than a 360 in every aspect, but the most you could say, it's a fun car, but nothing earth shattering about it beside picking up car "slart" Also I believe Porsche are acquiring the motor for the new panamera from Audi. The natural match up for the GTR is the atmo 911. Last I looked, there is nothing left in the Porsche cupboard. BMW have become a "poser" car company.

I know I would have offended some ppls here, but it the honest facts, Look at there line up and look carefully at what is actually under the metal skin, and sticking semi-slick on a car doesn't means it had additional"engineering" over the run of the mill. Well to put it bluntly, I looked at a M6 and it took me 2 seconds to crossed it of the list, on a car costing almost $300k they choose to fit 2 cent brakes? come on be realistic.

SS8_Gohan Grand Master

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Having driven a F430 , it is ALOT faster than a 360 in every aspect, but the most you could say, it's a fun car, but nothing earth shattering about it beside picking up car "slart" Also I believe Porsche are acquiring the motor for the new panamera from Audi. The natural match up for the GTR is the atmo 911. Last I looked, there is nothing left in the Porsche cupboard. BMW have become a "poser" car company.

I know I would have offended some ppls here, but it the honest facts, Look at there line up and look carefully at what is actually under the metal skin, and sticking semi-slick on a car doesn't means it had additional"engineering" over the run of the mill. Well to put it bluntly, I looked at a M6 and it took me 2 seconds to crossed it of the list, on a car costing almost $300k they choose to fit 2 cent brakes? come on be realistic.

M3 CSL was good enough to beat a GT3 around Winton.

What they did with the CSL was very impressive IMO.

265kw's from a 3.2ltr Straight Six N/A, that's some decent "engineering".

I'm waiting on the BMW V10 to be put in something A LOT less than 1800kg's.

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