35 Gtr...

[ricknismo]

[ricknismo]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Gener...e.photopanel..1

[Marlin]

Sounds like a pretty quick 'box to me? DSG style/sequential/automatic? Still alot of speculation I see, what you reckon Rick?

[ricknismo]

A few aspects with it, firstly its a 'first of' which in most cases would be a bad thing, but its Japan research not aussie so it might be ok. I am confused at the reasoning of concentrating on nurburg times but I guess that is cult status. I read 1/4 is not an issue but I am curious on what a 360awkw car does as long as the 4wd system and gearbox can handle it. Lamborghini have a good 4wd system but realistic you wouldn't launch it hard like gtr's are famous for. I know 250awkw is good for a damn low 12 so I wonder what it will do.

It might be a few years before we see it and it will probably be dumbed down for us and too dear...one can dream though.

[scathing]

I am confused at the reasoning of concentrating on nurburg times but I guess that is cult status.

Because if you're building a sports car, theoretically it should be quick. And there's few better places to demonstrate that that on the Nordschleife.

Its a race track, so you can book the entire course out and run time attack runs without worrying about other road users (which means you can't blame slower times on traffic or worry about "collateral damage"). It also has a mixture of high speed and low speed corners. On camber and off camber. Hill climb and hill descent. Some sections have branches overhead, which keeps the road damp long after rain and puts leaves down. The track itself has 3 different surfaces, not including debris on it, testing the car further. Its also very narrow, like a B-road, unlike modern race tracks which resemble a motorway.

And since a lot of people use it, then you can compare times on the same race track. If everyone was willing to fly down to Australia to test their cars on Mount Panorama, then we'd all be obsessed with thos times. But because all of the big performance car manufacturers do at least some testing on the Nurburgring, its now the benchmark.

Basically, if your car is quick on the Nurburgring, your car is quick everywhere that a retail customer is likely to use it. It defines the term "proving ground". And its a lot more indicative of how quick your performance car is in the real world than peak power figures or quarter mile times.

And this stuff was posted a month ago. Feel free to have a look at the other topics in this forum.

[Wink]

Excellent post scathing.

[ricknismo]

Wonder how the auto will go.

[scathing]

Wonder how the auto will go.

The new Porsche is quicker with the auto than the manual, so maybe in their quest to be a "better 911 Turbo" than the 997 Turbo they've build it with an auto box.

The rumors are that its running a 7 speed clutchless sequential or a DSG anyway.

[ish]

interesting.... ... i think there taking to long.

there is a big difference this time where the gtr has to catch up... not vice versa which may stuff it....

its growing on me the look , but the electirc front wheels still dosent wash with me YET?!?

In reality i think by the time its released it will be countered fairly quickly

[iplen]

I thought the Electric driven front wheels were ruled out about a year ago...

[scathing]

Well, considering Nissan recently patented another electrically driven at the front AWD system (different to the Micra's), its arguable.

The patent could be completely unrelated to the GT-R project, but then again who knows....?

[Smurf]

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In reality i think by the time its released it will be countered fairly quickly

I agree. Unless there is something outstanding about the GT-R, I can't see it being a stand out in this day and age where 350 or more kw is common place in European sports cars.

Shortly after they release the GT-R, Porsche will be close to the release of the 998 Turbo which I imagine will have close to 400kw and suspension to match.

I hope Nissan pull a rabbit out of the hat.

[ricknismo]

You have to remember in the days of similar sports cars the 34 was released with 206kw and became a cult car....its the package that counts.

[scathing]

The R34 GT-R didn't have only 206kW. And considering that was all they were officially allowed to make, its not surprising that they'd advertise it as such.

The R32 was a cult car, since it restarted the GT-R nameplate. 206kW back in 1989 was a fair amount. But, in 1999, 206kW was nothing.

And since there's no longer a gentleman's agreement on passenger car power outputs, Nissan should be able to make as much power as the engine will manage. And 450hp is sweet f**k all these days, and the VQ will handle far more power than that without raising a sweat.

[ricknismo]

The point I was making is that its not just power that makes a cult car.

[scathing]

That's true. The Elise is a cult car (as are most Lotuses). Same with the MGB, Austin Healey Sprite, MX5 etc.

But a good power / weight ratio makes for a quick car. And The GT-R didn't become a cult car because of its sublime handling and amazing response chassis response - it did it because it was quicker than anything else, even twice the cost.

[Rezz]

About the 'e-4WD' set up on the next GT-R, it was made very clear last year ('05) about the cars FR transaxel, which to me sounded like an about face on the rumours that the car would be 4WD at all... having said that though, I think (some kind of) 4WD system is on the cards and always has been.

If you have a look at Mitsubishi's development with their 'MIEV' technology (placing an electric motor in each wheel), Nissan would be crazy to invest in traditional 4WD system now... thats assuming the car with include 4WD. But you never know, I've followed the Japanese press for a number of years now regarding the next GT-R, and really the only thing you can be sure of is that the GT-R will be the best possible sportscar made by Nissan under the current leadership... if thats not enough to topple the 997 Turbo then blame that Brazilian guy from Renault...

[d0p3y]

I'm betting it'll have some form of 4WD system in there for sure.

After all this R&D it better be the best car in the universe and nothing less.

[kralster]

Best car in the universe for what?

A trip across australia with 5 kids in the back? not likely.

Maybe the best sports car but no where in the best car in the universe.

Heck i'd take a commo station wagon over it if i was driving the family to Sydney from SA.

[scathing]

I'd take an E280 CDI for a cross country tourer.