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[lilmike86]

that just dragged on and you guys sorted missed the topic a bit sometimes. but you've entertained me for today, so i'd call it a success.

here's an idea, how bout you both agree to disagree? that way there's more space for others to post as well, everyone's happy

[ookami]

I think i was more just having a rant.

[Midol]

Ahh, so... Let me get this straight...

So long as your not adversely affected, you don’t care, but you want everyone else to change what there doing? What if I say my air is perfectly clean, so I don’t care, but I CBF wasting 20 minutes of my life walking to the shops when I can get there in 30 seconds in my car?

Nah, more so that I don't care how much eggs cost. It doesn't mean that much to me. I care if you get cancer, I care if you get sick, I care if you are in a crash just not if you pay 20c more for eggs.

Name which cars use recycled parts. I only know of a few manufactuers that do.

Most cars on the road have had a part fail at some stage, and then these parts are replaced with parts from a wreckers.

I meant new cars.

Yet you still wont say exactly what car you drive, making it very difficult for me to actually make any sort of reply based on anything except the example you gave.

Falcon. From the olds.

And how much did she service it? Did she maintain it properly? Did she drive it well? Having it break proves nothing except it is broken.

Fairly well maintained. Services every 5,000. 100,000km was the accepted distance on them. Daewoo is a crappy brand though so probably a bad example from me.

Kay, well, im driving down to get my chicken roll without caring what im doing to the environment. No defence here either...

the sphincter of the universe > Chicken.

What a waste of a stagea

I'll sleep in it as well... If I have it I'll do it up for the drag strip but the reason I choose it is for the dogs, practical. Small cars do not equal practical for me

So wait, we haven’t contributed to it but we have greatly accelerated it?

Worded it wrong (obviously). We contribute to it but we are not the cause of it.

Your point?

You claimed since I live in a rural area it doesn't effect me. It does, just on a smaller scale and I don't care if it does.

Didn’t you say in an earlier post that you didn’t mind paying a bit more to save the planet?

A fuel efficient car suitable for me (practical) would set me back over 100k. I'll just pull that out of my pocket and go buy one now.

In your fantasy world perhaps. If the government was going to do something they would have by now. They have stated many times they are not.

Didn't ford just get a bonus to research stuff like this??? (I have no idea, heard it somewhere just don't know its truth.

Also, mate, the largest consumption of fuel in the world by far is POWER GENERATION. So the answer lies not in getting us to walk down to the shops, which would make such a piddling difference anyway, but in converting to nuclear power.

Sorry - I am a supporter of renewable fuels. Why deplete another resource? Wind Turbines and Solar Panels ftw.

ookami: Taken a few elective enviromental courses at uni, know a bit. Will get back to you on the co2 as I honestly have no idea.

Diamondjoe That depends really. I grow my own veggies caus' they taste better and it gives me something to do. I use nothing except water to grow them. No idea about meats and won't pretend I do.

[Midol]

that just dragged on and you guys sorted missed the topic a bit sometimes. but you've entertained me for today, so i'd call it a success.

here's an idea, how bout you both agree to disagree? that way there's more space for others to post as well, everyone's happy

I'm bored though and its not as though we have resorted to calling each other names yet.

Plus, this is showing me what I need to research more so I can be more prepared in the future

[lilmike86]

why cant everyone just sort things out the old fashioned way........a fight to the death with spoons maximum entertainment, minimal damage and best of all, someone will win

[IanB]

Wind power and solar power?

Do you have any idea how hard it would be to generate enough power with thoes means?

But this really is starting to get off topic now...

What about the russian oil feilds that are largly untapped? The antartic oil feilds? Theres other oil feilds out there that have not yet been tapped.

[lilmike86]

antarctica is off limits. they wont agree to it

[Midol]

Definatly not, never agree to antarctica being tapped.

We find more, give us another few years. Yipee.

Were you watching border patrol last night? NZ has a wind farm that generates enough power to supply 32,000 homes with power.

Right now though solar power is far to expensive to setup and wind is quite noisy so they have a bit of ground to make up before it comes completely viable.

[IanB]

32 000 homes wont even make a dint...

Brisbane has what, 1 million people? 250 000 houses or thereabouts?

[Bunta]

antarctica is off limits. they wont agree to it

When the we run out of oil I think the protected status of antartica would dissappear pretty fast

[Midol]

No it won't. You'll never see the protection orders on Antarctica removed.

Ian: The wind farm was tiny. On like 1 acre or something.

http://www.windenergy.org.nz/photos/windfarms/brooklyn.htm

1 turbine, powers 80 homes - that was 10 years ago and it is highly unefficient being so old. Made in 1993

http://www.trustpower.co.nz/Content/Genera...ms/Tararua.aspx

40 Turbines, powers 30,000 homes (each turbine powers 750 homes). We have mountains all around us, these are ideal for us. You could power the entire sunshine coast with a bunch of these on the blackall ranges. Made in 2003

http://www.windenergy.org.nz/photos/windfarms/teapiti.htm

55 turbines, powers 45,000 homes (each turbine powers 818 homes).

Made in 2004

Want me to keep on going showing how fast this stuff is improving and how it is actually viable? We also have alot of water around us:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/so...ffshorewind.gif

ookami: Air contains co2. How the co2 gets up there? It is in the air.

[Midol]

ookami, I have answers!

Kk, I'll assume you know the reason WHY CO2 warms the earth so won't bother glossing over that but the reason CO2 levels raising is a bad thing is because the CO2 doesn't have to be up there to cause heat problems.

When the sun rays hit CO2 it gives off heat, so the CO2 doesn't have to be up high to catch this heat. It can be down low.

You are doing what I was doing and confusing holes in the ozone layer with the green house effect.

If you want the link for the site I was discussing it on (the thread) pm me and I'll send you it so you can read the thread with the guys explaining it to me.

Cheers.

[85URK]

so how much is the price of f**king fuel then???

last i saw it for was $1.29/L for premium at shell.

Edited December 28, 2006 by 85URK

[Midol]

My car is broken (need to get exhaust re-welded on, snapped it inhalf) so I havn't been past the station...

But I'd hazard a guess at about 1.20 for the expensive BP one in nambour and maybe 1.22 in mapleton.

[IanB]

Too much....

$0.10 a liter vouchers ftw tho. Vortex 98 vs Ultimate, whats your thoughts?

I think the vortex gives me more powah but the ultimate seems to run smoother...

[Midol]

Ultimate is evil - I swear when I use it my fuel consumption increases. I just use premium, not the 98 octane one, the 95 I think.

[IanB]

Ultimate is evil - I swear when I use it my fuel consumption increases. I just use premium, not the 98 octane one, the 95 I think.

Didnt you say your car was LPG before?

what do you drive anyway?

[Midol]

I'm driving mums car (XR6) :S hers isn't LPG yet - mine has been broken for a while as I accidently drove over a log, lol.

Sorry for not clearing that up - I said earlier, parents old falcon. Can hate it but it isn't a bad car for learning (only had license for 6 months).

Ohh, and its dual fuel. Rarely use fuel unless its a big journey where I'll empty a tank - saves me stopping twice.

Edited December 28, 2006 by Midol

[Mushroom]

hmmm doesn't sound all that fuel efficent

[Midol]

450km to a tank of gas.

Gas is better for the enviroment than fuel. I'd honestly rather drive a gas car like the falcon than a small fuel using car like a umm, dunno - laser? (Don't know my small cars). We have excess gas - we burn it off.