1999 Autech 260rs Stagea

[mike40sydney]

ive been reading the other threads and it seems some out there dont believe that a series 2 autech exists.i was bidding on a brochure some time ago that might put the myth to bed ----------- Excellent used condition. Japanese Text. This is a rare Japanese brochure for the JDM Nissan Stagea 260RS Autech version (aka 'Skyline Wagon', this was powered by the almighty RB26DETT). Printed in 1999, this is a high quality brochure featuring an array of fantastic photography as well as technical information, specifications, features, performance, interior, options, colours etc. for this incredible car. Essential for any Stagea or Skyline enthusiast.----------i hope this helps ohh by the way i missed out on winning it .but the ebay link is -----http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160058058643&rd=1&rd=1 Edited December 31, 2006 by mike40sydney

[ian]

can you point to anything to say this is based on a r34 GTR? ie R34 GTR suspension, engine, turbos, intercooler, etc?

If not, it is still a R33 GTR conversion from a stagea, ie not what I would call a series 2 autech (even if their marketting department did).

[Silverback]

Here is a genuine Series 2 Autech for sale in NZ.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/C...on-81870505.htm

[ian]

OK, did a bit more research

The autech site definitly says (http://www.autech.co.jp/HISTORY-SV/WC34S01/index.htm) that it is based on the series 2 rs four s - the bit on the line with the "GF-WGNC34" says model S.

changed from the S -

70KG heavier

It has super-hicas - I'm going to check my S when it gets home (it's the wifes car.. :-) and have a real look to see if it is hicas or super hicas..

upgraded brakes

R33 GTR RB25DETT - you can tell from the spec on the autech page.

It appears to have the same gearbox (5 speed, not 6), diff (lsd), drivetrain as the S (going from the gear ratios and memory)

So my point is that while it is an excellent car - it is NOT based on the R34 GTR. And given the the PRICE difference from the rs4s - which has the r34 neo engine/turbo/intercooler instead of the R33 RG26DETT - I'm not sure a 1999 one is a good buy.. ie it isn't anywhere near as big an upgrade as a series 1 auto to the 260rs is, and it costs a lot lot more than a S..

I suspect I could put a r34 R26DETT with good turbos, intercooller, brakes etc into my S for a total cheaper price than buying a 1999 autech..

[EGA41T]

OK, did a bit more research

The autech site definitly says (http://www.autech.co.jp/HISTORY-SV/WC34S01/index.htm) that it is based on the series 2 rs four s - the bit on the line with the "GF-WGNC34" says model S.

changed from the S -

70KG heavier

It has super-hicas - I'm going to check my S when it gets home (it's the wifes car.. :-) and have a real look to see if it is hicas or super hicas..

upgraded brakes

R33 GTR RB25DETT - you can tell from the spec on the autech page.

It appears to have the same gearbox (5 speed, not 6), diff (lsd), drivetrain as the S (going from the gear ratios and memory)

So my point is that while it is an excellent car - it is NOT based on the R34 GTR. And given the the PRICE difference from the rs4s - which has the r34 neo engine/turbo/intercooler instead of the R33 RG26DETT - I'm not sure a 1999 one is a good buy.. ie it isn't anywhere near as big an upgrade as a series 1 auto to the 260rs is, and it costs a lot lot more than a S..

I suspect I could put a r34 R26DETT with good turbos, intercooller, brakes etc into my S for a total cheaper price than buying a 1999 autech..

Nice work.

...GO the RS4S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AlexCim]

OK guys, here is what ive found with my investigations into the 260RS's about 3-4 months ago, which I also posted in various threads.

* Series 2 260RS's exist.

* By checking VIN numbers and things in FAST, ive found that the turbos/block/gearbox are all R33 GTR, making me beleive that the S2 260RS is just a upgraded front.

* The cost of the S1 vs S2 260RS's is about 10,000AUD landed/complied MORE for the S2

* Unjustifiable cost in my opinion when you could just do a front conversion on the S1 for less than 10,000AUD

* HOWEVER, you are getting a lower KM RB26, but might not be worth if you are going to modify it/rebuild anyway

Hence, after my investigations, I found that a rough/blown motor 260RS would suit me best.

Cant ever rule out other little things though, such as maybe upgraded interior and other long-term servicable items such as wheel bearings, brake cylinders, globes etc etc etc

[GoldZilla]

OK guys, here is what ive found with my investigations into the 260RS's about 3-4 months ago, which I also posted in various threads.

* Series 2 260RS's exist.

* By checking VIN numbers and things in FAST, ive found that the turbos/block/gearbox are all R33 GTR, making me beleive that the S2 260RS is just a upgraded front.

* The cost of the S1 vs S2 260RS's is about 10,000AUD landed/complied MORE for the S2

* Unjustifiable cost in my opinion when you could just do a front conversion on the S1 for less than 10,000AUD

* HOWEVER, you are getting a lower KM RB26, but might not be worth if you are going to modify it/rebuild anyway

Hence, after my investigations, I found that a rough/blown motor 260RS would suit me best.

Cant ever rule out other little things though, such as maybe upgraded interior and other long-term servicable items such as wheel bearings, brake cylinders, globes etc etc etc

From all the info I've read/seen/heard, I'm with Alex on this one - the s2 Autech was just a cosmetic makeover to match the rest of the s2 update (both interior and exterior - I think the interior trim was also updated), and everything else as far as engine and driveline is concerned stayed the same.

I'd still call it a series 2, because it was an update, however minor...

[ian]

I'd still call it a series 2, because it was an update, however minor...

And I'd call it a series 1 revision 2, as 1) not enough changed (ie same motor etc etc) 2) A series 2 to me would mean R34 GTR parts.. ie the big change from a series 1 stagea to a series 2 stagea whas swapping from the R33GTT engine/intercooler/turbo to the much better R34 GTT NEO engine/intercooler/turbo etc

ie (again) the RS4S changed a bit in 2000 (June) but we still call it a series 2 RS4S, we just add a 'rev 2' to it as nothing major changed..

And as someone who sent me an email said, in my comment above I hadn't factored in SELLING my NEO engine etc - if I do that I could easily upgrade to a RB26DETT + Brakes for less than the price difference between the S and 1999 260RS..

Ian

[inark]

Here is a genuine Series 2 Autech for sale in NZ.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/C...on-81870505.htm

hopefully if things go to plan that will be in Australia soon... im trying to get my dad to buy it and bring it to AUS with him. Complianced and registered it should work out to about 35k AUD... whats the going rate to buy one in good nick here in Aus?

[qikstagea]

Glad this topic was started - i wasnt aware theat is was basically just a facelift from S1 to S2 autechs. Bit dodgy, really.... could be misleading to those who dont do their research.

For the price difference, get an S1 and put an R34 front on it, id say. thats my plan anyway.

Apart from the 6 speed, what differences are there between the drive train of the C34 Autech and the R34 GTR?

[AlexCim]

The whole engine bay, driveline, suspension, interior, computers and uhh, chassis.

[inark]

Glad this topic was started - i wasnt aware theat is was basically just a facelift from S1 to S2 autechs. Bit dodgy, really.... could be misleading to those who dont do their research.

For the price difference, get an S1 and put an R34 front on it, id say. thats my plan anyway.

Apart from the 6 speed, what differences are there between the drive train of the C34 Autech and the R34 GTR?

I still dont get why everyone thinks those changes dont warrant a new series... R33 GTST S1 and S2... pretty positive they were mainly cosmetic changes too. Its not like it has a brand spankin new engine with more power.

[ian]

Apart from the 6 speed, what differences are there between the drive train of the C34 Autech and the R34 GTR?

a lot of lot of lot of differece between these two cars... Not even worth comparing. Which is why they shouldn't have called a 1999 autech a C34 one (as it is misleading - though great for marketting..).

I still dont get why everyone thinks those changes dont warrant a new series... R33 GTST S1 and S2... pretty positive they were mainly cosmetic changes too. Its not like it has a brand spankin new engine with more power.

That is exactly the problem - if you use different series to describe essential the same car ie R33 GTST S1 and S2 you shouldn't use it to describe major changed cars. ie nobody calls a R34 GTT a series 3 R33, it's a different model...

So if we call the stageas the R33 Stagea and the R34 Stagea, then you could call the 1999 autech a R33 series 2 stagea without confusing people (as per the bit I've written above.. :-)...

Anyway, it's all just naming. The 1999 autech is still a nice car, I just wouldn't be paying a lot more for it than a 1998 autech as it has the same motor, turbo, intercooler, etc etc. ie a bit more yes, a lot more no..

Same for the autech 1999 vs a RS4S - I'd pay more for the autech, but I wouldn't be paying double!

Ian

[inark]

i think people need to get the R33 out of their heads... its not a skyline... its not a R33... its a Stagea Autech series 2... its a newer version of the old model which is the same. How hard is that to comprehend? EVERY COMPANY DOES IT

do you think a MKII XR6 is any different from a MKI structurally or mechanically? NO... they just might fix a few niggly things and spruce it up a bit.

Of course its going to be worth more then a Series 1 because its a different series... not a different car... its going to be worth more then a previous year because its newer!

No not double... but looking in the NZ autotraders all the time they generally dont sell for huge amounts more.

Would you pay the same for a 1995 R33 GTST then a 1996 R33 GTST? I wouldnt. Theyre the same car but one is newer and looks better.

[ian]

Would you pay the same for a 1995 R33 GTST then a 1996 R33 GTST? I wouldnt. Theyre the same car but one is newer and looks better.

The condition of the car would be far more important the the one year difference. Which would be the same when comparing a 1998 and 1999 autech stagea, but would NOT be the same between a 1998 and 1999 stagea as they fundemantally changed key components...

[inark]

The condition of the car would be far more important the the one year difference. Which would be the same when comparing a 1998 and 1999 autech stagea, but would NOT be the same between a 1998 and 1999 stagea as they fundemantally changed key components...

thats right. Thats the whole point. Regardless of what people say it is a Series 2. A valid Series 2.

[Midol]

In all honesty it doesn't matter what we want to call it. It is a S2 and will remain an S2 because thats what Nissan called it (assuming they did. I actually have no idea what we are discussing ).

For example; a company releases a car called a dickadid, then they put a new kit on it, changed one or two other minor details and released a dickadid s2. It might be stupid and idiodic because little changed but its still a dickadid s2.