2007 F1 Season

[wolverine]

i have looked at the footage and i can't see webber getting super aggresive behind the SC.

i saw LH getting right up the arse of the SC then virtually stopping on the right hand side of the track.

this doesn't make it his fault but it contributed the accident.

ultimately vettel made the error and i don't think anyone is going to disagree on that front.

Edited October 3, 2007 by wolverine

[m3gtr]

lol, everyone except the LH haters!!

[Paradizzle]

Why did Lewis slow down so much though and stay so much out on the right side?

[sav man]

LH payed SV off, pulling over to the right was the mark to hit Webber

[m3gtr]

Why did Lewis slow down so much though and stay so much out on the right side?

Para mate, he was on the radio to ask webber to get off his backside. Mark smelt blood and understandably so. LH wanted some breathing room but i have to say, i think the way he handled the SC was amatureish. he couldve backed off the SC and kept a gap to it and then the rest of the field would have followed - they had to, but that wasnt the case.

Its my understanding that he felt hurried, rushed and called for the team to help him alleviate the situation because he wasnt able to correctly deal with it... Mark was getting impatient, sniffing that first victory and LH was on the back foot trying to preserve a points gap to FA and panicked. He still is a rookie after all... next to NO experience in the wet, leading the field with 2 to go, on the verge of a WDC and with 2 fired up red bull chargers looking to capitalize.

vettel was plainly blind when the accident happened. Rookie mistake. we shouldnt crucify him over it...im sure he had nightmares over that one.

Mark was also way too aggressive. he wanted the win and was pushing, even willing the restart, even though he didnt have control over it and that,...over LH's control of the restart.

Lewis, well weve seen some very dumb things from him, but were prone to do that - to be hyper sensitive to them - since he has come in and blown everyones expectations out of the water. Our expectations of him now are now skyhigh and we are victims of our own greed. he will make mistakes but you have to admit, its been surreal.

I attribute the blame for the accident squarely at 1/3rd EACH.

Hamilton for being such a noob behind the SC

Webber for being bloodthirsty for that first victory

Vettel for being plain blind.

[**JaR**]

lol.....this is laughable. poor little lewy was getting upset because the mean men behind him were getting too close...so he called uncle ron to ask the mean boys to leave him alone...

give me a f**king break. the kid wants everything. he wants to push people off the track like a dog, and then have a f**kin hissy fit when he cops it back.

harden up lewis you f**king pussy.

[m3gtr]

JaR, you may be right but youre being way over harsh. Give the guy a little break. Ever heard the phrase " You gotta talk the talk and walk the walk."??

well LH has it in spades. He can rattle on about this and that but at the end of the day look at the WDC standings!!!

Hes still new. He may know how to win races and he may know how to out think and out smart and out muscle "bullies" as you put them...but he wasnt used to the conditions out there... i have to make at least one concession for what happened and im being impartial.

i think his call to the garage was a smart one. Im not making excuses for him but it all ties together for me- at least in respect to the monumental accident that we all witnessed...

It doesnt take a genius to figure out why RBR didnt tell Webbo to back off...a win was on the cards! But i bet they never in their wildest dreams envisaged an outcome the likes of which we all witnessed..

mate, remember we are witnessing one of the most amazing drivers to come along in recent history, on the verge of history never being able to repeat, love him or hate him, to come along since MS debuted in the EJ 191. That was a LOOOOONG time ago.

again, cherish it i say! youll we'll all look back on this and remember it fondly!

Edited October 3, 2007 by m3gtr

[djr81]

lol.....this is laughable. poor little lewy was getting upset because the mean men behind him were getting too close...so he called uncle ron to ask the mean boys to leave him alone...

give me a f**king break. the kid wants everything. he wants to push people off the track like a dog, and then have a f**kin hissy fit when he cops it back.

harden up lewis you f**king pussy.

"Lewy" wants to win the drivers championship.

Which he is well on track to do.

That hard enough for you?

What I find vaguely amusing is that people criticise F1 drivers for being, amongst many things,

arrogant

pushy

demanding

ultra competitive

self obsessed

selfish

greedy

All of which, uncoincidently, is the MINIMUM requirement for any sports person to get to the top rank of their sport, let alone become a champion.

So there you have it people, all that is holding any of us back is that we are nice blokes.

[Beer Baron]

Para mate, he was on the radio to ask webber to get off his backside.

he just did that to cover himself. he knew his deal with vettel was on, and he figured if he complained on the radio about webber driving along behind him that when his stop and smash plan went into affect he could say: "well it wasn't my fault i was peeing my panties the whole time that webber would screw up".

trust me, this is what happened. lewis is a smart guy.

[Roy]

Cant say I agree with attributing blame to all 3 drivers. I think its about 85% Vettel for being blind, 10% Hamilton for being so erratic up front, albet consistantyl erratic and 5% Webber for perhaps adding to LH’s anxiety and darting behind the pace car. But really, LH was doing the same thign consistantly all race, so at lap whatever you cant say you didn’t see it coming. I would loves to have heard the outrage though if Webber and RBR hadnt been so concerned about a safety car when the running was good and drove to the edge of his fuel window. Looking at the lap times he could very well got the lead exiting from the pits, but who knows what the traffic would have been like if he had of stayed out. But can you imagine the cufuffle if LH was 2nd and Webber did the exact same thing and LH was taken out by Vettel?

At the end of the day, I sure as shit don’t agree with LH being all that amazing. No doubt he is on the money and a great driver…but amazing is a word I would reserve for a resutl like Vettels if he of kept it on the balck stuff. Not a guy in the best car on the grid winning races. Doing a good job, yes…amazing? Well amazing is if Heiki in the Renault was leading. Or think back to when MS was green and the team were behind Williams/McLaren in the constructors yet he was winning races and placing high in the championship. Takes a lot of pressure of having a team on song when you are in your rookie year, you have a car that lets you show your wares and all you have to do is drive. No silly startegy calls, tyre choices…failures etc have hurt him this year and a McLaren is the seat that most the grid would be winning races in.

[djr81]

Well the front right hand wheel falling off in Germany didn't help....

Anyway, in other news, not that I would believe Nigel Stepney, but on the basis of this maybe BMW should be the constructers champion.

In recent days we have received (unsolicited) communication from Nigel Stepney which raises a number of questions which have not been touched on in the scandal to date. Stepney says that he believes Ferrari have been let off surprisingly lightly by the FIA. He says that there is a point that everyone is missing because they are assuming that the flow of information to Mike Coughlan was a one-way flow and that Ferrari did not gain anything. There is no evidence at all that Stepney was being paid to pass on information and he says that it was rather more simple than that.

"I got information about when they [McLaren] were stopping," Stepney says. "I got weight distribution, I got other aspects of various parts of their car from him [Coughlan]. Ferrari got off very lightly. I was their employee at the time. I was aware of certain stuff they were doing at tests, fuel levels, for example. I knew what fuel level they were running. I think they should have been docked points personally. The question is: Did I use the information, did I talk about it?' That's the big question. I spoke to some people about it. I can't prove it, there are no e-mails or anything. Points about the fuel and the differences [between Ferrari and McLaren] were discussed inside. As well as McLaren having an advantage, did Ferrari have an advantage? I think so."

So is Stepney surprised that Ferrari got off entirely without penalty?

"Very surprised," he says. "It looks like information flowing only one way. No one has been balancing the argument. No one has asked the question. They were thinking Mike was asking the questions and I was answering them."

Stepney, one can argue, is a source that is seen to be somewhat tainted given all the allegations that have been made in Italy. But they are only allegations at the moment. Nothing has been proved in a proper court of law and until it is he has as much right to make his feelings known as Montezemolo.

[Roy]

When questioned about his 2008 team mate, LH told The Sun: "I don't mind who it is. I have beaten every one of my team-mates in the past."

Time to line up Mark Webber

[sav man]

Autoblog speculated that Alonso or Hamelton might end up at Prodrive next year to split them up. But Prodrive might not even make a team if Spiker and Williams block the customer car thing.

[m3gtr]

speculation is as speculation does...

[Kozeyekan]

Well the front right hand wheel falling off in Germany didn't help....

Anyway, in other news, not that I would believe Nigel Stepney, but on the basis of this maybe BMW should be the constructers champion.

In recent days we have received (unsolicited) communication from Nigel Stepney which raises a number of questions which have not been touched on in the scandal to date. Stepney says that he believes Ferrari have been let off surprisingly lightly by the FIA. He says that there is a point that everyone is missing because they are assuming that the flow of information to Mike Coughlan was a one-way flow and that Ferrari did not gain anything. There is no evidence at all that Stepney was being paid to pass on information and he says that it was rather more simple than that.

"I got information about when they [McLaren] were stopping," Stepney says. "I got weight distribution, I got other aspects of various parts of their car from him [Coughlan]. Ferrari got off very lightly. I was their employee at the time. I was aware of certain stuff they were doing at tests, fuel levels, for example. I knew what fuel level they were running. I think they should have been docked points personally. The question is: Did I use the information, did I talk about it?' That's the big question. I spoke to some people about it. I can't prove it, there are no e-mails or anything. Points about the fuel and the differences [between Ferrari and McLaren] were discussed inside. As well as McLaren having an advantage, did Ferrari have an advantage? I think so."

So is Stepney surprised that Ferrari got off entirely without penalty?

"Very surprised," he says. "It looks like information flowing only one way. No one has been balancing the argument. No one has asked the question. They were thinking Mike was asking the questions and I was answering them."

Stepney, one can argue, is a source that is seen to be somewhat tainted given all the allegations that have been made in Italy. But they are only allegations at the moment. Nothing has been proved in a proper court of law and until it is he has as much right to make his feelings known as Montezemolo.

So then, it could be a case of Ferrari being dqed from the whole points tally too, plus a $100 mil fine to go with it?

Would make things very interesting.

[Whiplash]

couldn't see this posted in the last page or 2

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62978

[wolverine]

When questioned about his 2008 team mate, LH told The Sun: "I don't mind who it is. I have beaten every one of my team-mates in the past."

Time to line up Mark Webber

i 2nd that

(or russell ingall)

[m3gtr]

whoa...

i can see this completely getting out of hand if the last few months are anything to go by.

Im sure the powers that be would be facilitating this injunction into the championship because of sportsmanship, am i right?

Thats laughable considering all the BS we have had to put up with over the past 9 months!! ...Indeed in the last lifetime!

im sure if there was ANY way the FIA could enforce a penalty on LH and Mac, they will and do you know why?

They need...no...desperately demand a good show - for our sakes let me remind you - and a penalty for LH will add up to a grandstand finish with 3 dirvers going toe to toe for it in the final exciting chapter!!!! Great for ratings if your a follower of Friends, 24, Prison break etc etc etc ..

but for F1 ????????!!!!!!! The FIA can take their crowd pleasing, nonsensical, bureaucratic, legalistic bullshit and f**k off in my opinion...

unfortunately those dumb bastards think we enjoy seeing this kind of shit and thats what we would like to see!!!!!

i want races and champions. I want battles fought ON THE BLOODY TRACK!

Is this so f**king hard to understand for those money and pubicity obsessed bastards in management of this sporting joke???

i want to vomit. :wub:

seriously.

That post has a dangerous foreboding to it...i can almost guarantee...no..my gut is turning...i can PROMISE you if they can throw LH to the dogs and further disgrace Mac, for the sake of The "SHOW"...they WILL....

Edited October 4, 2007 by m3gtr

[m3gtr]

im sure the FIA has those slimy, filthy, cockroach lawyers picking through the sporting code like a man getting fleas out of his hair in order to make this accusation stick...

[Kaido_RR]

here you go m3gtr

It is suggested that stewards have taken receipt of video proof that the British driver was 'slowing up and accelerating excessively'.

Article 40.10 of F1's Regulations reads: "The safety car shall be used at least until the leader is behind it and all remaining cars are lined up behind him. Once behind the safety car, the race leader must keep within 5 car lengths of it."

A spokesman for the sport's governing body confirmed that Hamilton is under scrutiny for failing to heed this stipulation.