Your Ecu Choice

[kidd]

Just to throw another ecu into the water-works i have just been fitting and tuning HKS f-con v-pro into many Jap cars. These are a ecu designed in Japan by Japs for Jap cars. They have all the functions you would ever need for a Jap car, such as Launch control and user defined inputs and out puts, and Data logging ETC.

whoa! finally. how much? f con v has to be my fav when I saw what it can do. Leaned out when the cars running rich and vice versa (an ecu that thinks). Hope crackheads dont find out its secret option (ignition without key). Prob why HKS have kept it exclusive to approved tuners. But fitting this to a light tune car is like buying size 12 shoes when u wear 8

Anyway to keep thread going PFC =

and Lumpy Roms inventor tuning it of course (which says a lot about Glen's capability). Or Ant cos RB is his first name

If you choose Wolf, Steves your man all the way

Microtech? Im not sure about think ovaboost knows it inside out

think that wraps up our options as Motec isnt included on list (good for track cars/monitoring driving tho with its real time wireless telemetry option)

Ken recommends autronic so its got to be good

I have basically recommended all which means that the tuner is more important than the ecu, when you realise this ECU choice should be easy. ECU's with all the features dont tune themselves, they might as well be a paperweight until they get on a dyno with a PRO on his laptop. And yes I know they have different features that are subject to the application, so if u cant live without antilag/rotational idle theres no guessing which one the tuner recommends.

Question should be which ECU can I afford and live with and how much BHP can my bottom end handle. Looking at what other people have isnt the best guide as we all have different budgets and Hp goals. From dyno queens to daily drivers and drag/circuit cars. I wouldnt replace the former 33's PFC with a WOLF even if the fastest GTR ran 5 seconds with one as I drove more than 1/4 mile with the 33 and 100% NORMAL driveability was more important, or F con V as $7000 was a lil steep back in the day when it cost that much to instal and run. Did'nt mean I dont like these ECU's or thought they were inferior just meant they did not suit my 'lifestyle'. power fc was just like a stock ECU with a remote controller tucked away incase I need xtra hp(gets addictive checking the knock monitor though).

Sorry for writing long ass BS but I've seen one too many threads asking similar questions and added feedback from myself and multiple import owners. And as I stated before the REYTEC prob will take over PFC's place when they go obsolete. And all of the mentioned ECU's are crap if you got kermit to tune them.

cheers

Edited January 30, 2007 by kidd

[Tofu]

fo shizzle. Thanks for the indepth advice.

Looks like the PFC or HKS is the way to go. Im happy with the amount of power my car is putting out and after tune I will be turning my eye to beauty.

I have been looking on the yahoo auctions and can find both. Only thing is if it needs new harnesses.

Edited January 30, 2007 by Tofu

[kidd]

fo shizzle. Thanks for the indepth advice.

Looks like the PFC or HKS is the way to go. Im happy with the amount of power my car is putting out and after tune I will be turning my eye to beauty.

I have been looking on the yahoo auctions and can find both. Only thing is if it needs new harnesses.

dont know if tomei do reytec for r32 but that interface made me feel like jumping into the tuning biz but I got no skillz in numbers, way better than the excel looking interfaces on other laptops ive seen while on dyno. But it seems easy to use and tuners love it at first sight so invest in one if u can.

And again up to your chosen tuner bro. Medicine can be poisonous if not prescribed i.e go see the best or preferred 'doctor' first depending on which of the two you take as priority. word of advise..........

Id go to the best tuner even if they normally dont smile/talk alot. I loved it when I saw a select few ppl walking into workshops like they were going into a spa, expecting tea or something. My opinion from experience is I'm not making friends with workshops, and they have no obligation to pamper me cos I'm spending any $$ as they are offering PRO services that I cannot perform (but if they did Id fully appreciate the gesture). Especially if they already have a good reputation of exceptional SKILL, If otherwise disregard my comments.

Im getting a job done properly and possibly on time plus we probably will end up as friends after a good job done as a bonus or vice versa which may be due to a faulty car in the first place (part and parcel of modifying).

At this point the job turns into professional service, then I get a invoice and the smile dissapears. But it all comes back when you hit the throttle.

once again PFC= used it and loved it

REYTEC= not on list but intesresting enuff to mention

shit thought I was the only one awake

Edited January 30, 2007 by kidd

[32vspecII]

Id go to the best tuner even if they normally dont smile/talk alot. I loved it when I saw a select few ppl walking into workshops like they were going into a spa, expecting tea or something. My opinion from experience is I'm not making friends with workshops, and they have no obligation to pamper me cos I'm spending any $$ as they are offering PRO services that I cannot perform (but if they did Id fully appreciate the gesture). Especially if they already have a good reputation of exceptional SKILL, If otherwise disregard my comments.

i couldnt disagree more

even though their pros offering a service , its a customer based service they are offering

if they dont have time to even talk to you , explain why they are doing what they are doing and why they are taking your money then walk away and find someone else

if they wont even return your phone calls then dont bother making them (refering to another workshop thread)

[fabs]

and now what are people gonna do as pfc is harder to get and gets even harder to get it aint much use raving over how good they are when they are now becoming obsolete

Dude really, you dont know what your talkin about. power fc's are NOt becoming harder to get hold off. 1 week from japan plus if you talk to steve (mayham) hes usually got a heap on stand by. Apexera is the new major share holder of Apexi and are still producing Pfc's some models will be obsolete and from the talk of some major players and wont be making new model specific ie new cars for quite some time.

[Tofu]

shit thought I was the only one awake

i was up. work started at 4am for me

[N I B]

V500 is the same size as M880 Motec,not much bigger than the palm of your hand.

Old V4 was a good thing but way to big.

[ix9]

Food for thought: Why even consider an F-Con V Pro, when Xspeed is the only place in WA that can tune them. I think a major pro for an ECU choice is tunability.

No point buying an internet refrigerator if you got no internet to plug it into eh?

[N I B]

There is about to be more tuner options for the new Wolf but even the shops that use simple ECUs will be able to learn quickly to use it as its software is very easy.

If they cant ask why and move on.

[fabs]

http://www.greenline.jp/news/2006-11PowerFC.php

tells you what pfc options will still be available might be usefull to some

Edited January 31, 2007 by fabs

[kidd]

i couldnt disagree more

even though their pros offering a service , its a customer based service they are offering

if they dont have time to even talk to you , explain why they are doing what they are doing and why they are taking your money then walk away and find someone else

if they wont even return your phone calls then dont bother making them (refering to another workshop thread)

well I understand where you are coming from. But I normally knew/ had an idea of what I wanted before going to a shop, found that doing the research myself would make life easier for all parties, that way my questions were'nt half as stupid, and most of the explaining you mention would make sense to me instead of sounding like rocket science. And it was easier to judge what's BS from fact.

Your theory comes to effect when theres a lot of variables of the same product e.g getting a manifold made which can be a cheap (china) process or a very expensive (steel 316-321/inconel) one. so unless its a custom based job it should be straightforward without need for explanations.

On another note If they had time to talk to me and tell me all the great stuff they could do for a fraction of the price and returned all my calls then end up screwing my transmission (true story) , id call that bad customer service.

Edited January 31, 2007 by kidd

[kidd]

V500 is the same size as M880 Motec,not much bigger than the palm of your hand.

Old V4 was a good thing but way to big.

ah cool, didnt know there was a new one, anyway im in asia now and wondering if i should buy parts for profit

[kidd]

Food for thought: Why even consider an F-Con V Pro, when Xspeed is the only place in WA that can tune them. I think a major pro for an ECU choice is tunability.

No point buying an internet refrigerator if you got no internet to plug it into eh?

LOL sup neighbour!!, well if u running serious HP theres no substitute. dont want to get into details cos im not a geek at the specs. lets just say its like a MAC-PRO with 16GB of ram and dual processers with killer software compared to the average dell running win 98 (im exaggerating). but I think the fuel management makes it stand out. so if you are running *** hp with 9500+ RPM/36 PSI at different conditions where the engine can self destruct in a snap id invest in one. theres also the non pro version for light tune and the F con SZ etc

Edited January 31, 2007 by kidd

[Tofu]

Sup,

Looking at a couple of ECUs on yahoo auctions and can see a HKS F-Con available that is suited for the RB20.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...Flanguage_tools

dont know if that link will work so here is the original japanese link.

http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h33262627

What would be needed to fit the HKS F-CON? The ECU and GCC? Ive been told that I will need a new wiring harness as well. Any thoughts for the noob. It may just be easier going the bikirom.

Also as everyone has suggest I am removing the 2 extra injectors and installing larger injectors.

Cheers,

Andrew

[fabs]

Sup,

Looking at a couple of ECUs on yahoo auctions and can see a HKS F-Con available that is suited for the RB20.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...Flanguage_tools

dont know if that link will work so here is the original japanese link.

http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h33262627

What would be needed to fit the HKS F-CON? The ECU and GCC? Ive been told that I will need a new wiring harness as well. Any thoughts for the noob. It may just be easier going the bikirom.

Also as everyone has suggest I am removing the 2 extra injectors and installing larger injectors.

DUDE thats old old old school man dont waste ya time and bucks

Cheers,

Andrew

[N I B]

Theres a pile of old Fcon stuff here if anyone wants it.

PFC Fcon

GCC

AIC

Vein pressure converter

IPM

ETC, big box of electronic boxes.

Put you in touch with owner if anyone wants it all.

[SimonR32]

Food for thought: Why even consider an F-Con V Pro, when Xspeed is the only place in WA that can tune them. I think a major pro for an ECU choice is tunability.

No point buying an internet refrigerator if you got no internet to plug it into eh?

no point buying a fridge with the internet when u only need a fridge...

also no point buying a fridge with the internet when some supposed "professional tuners" cant even use a fridge and ping it to death

Edited February 5, 2007 by Cerbera

[N I B]

I dont think any tuners around that ping to death because they would have been out of business very quickly and we are all very busy.

[kidd]

no point buying a fridge with the internet when u only need a fridge...

also no point buying a fridge with the internet when some supposed "professional tuners" cant even use a fridge and ping it to death

ok then dont get the damn fridge

not directing this to you personally but a forum member would hav 2 be a doorknob to take their car to any supposedly bad tuners, as dan/liz would say use the search function and see whose recommended.Its 2007 man move on with the small criticisms cos they dont help this forum on the long run (just an opinion) unless its first hand knowledge..

Steve has a point and for once I agree with him. Established performance workshops we use have a good rep to maintain and thats non bias outlook of the workshops,which is rare from the Steve I remember from a few years ago. And he has come from far to say that abate the politics/happenings and personal opinions, so ill respect his word. and yes I have been on the bagging line but ive grown up.

Modifying is playing roulette to an extent, PERIOD!!! show me a pro athlete who uses his body to extremes who doesnt keep fit/suffer injuries, the mechanicals of a car can be judged to the same extent. just expect the best as things going wrong are part and parcel........

Ive seen mates of mine fit huge turbos and other HP gainers without compensating for the hp with bigger fuel/water/cooling systems etc thinking cos they have forged pistons its indestructible or worse stock internals on tired engines. I see a recipe for disaster from the initial stage (owner). not after the tune is done, and blame both paries to a certain degree. But I better not dwell on it.

another spends a lot of coin making sure the bottom end is bulletproof,when something eg bearings give up and the story goes on.

lesson= if we want mad HP expect a learning curve or buy a crate engine.

Maybe its time workshops start offering packages with stages of 'safe' BHP gain and the hardware to match so theres less room for error+ easier maintanance. plus refuse to touch randomly modified cars with lacking 'hardware'. If I owned a workshop id try this as my policy and probably go bankwrupt but I reckon mods will end up cheaper if someone dares to adopt this policy

LOL at the PFC/FCON thats like gettin a commodore 64 or atari when theres PS3s around

ps: sorry for venturing a little out off topic. poll shows powerfc is fav choice so tofu.................

Edited February 5, 2007 by kidd

[Tofu]

yeah now to just find one. lol