Has The New Commodore Changed Your View

[kralster]

Of course beemers will keep their value cos too many wankers want them.

If no-one wanted them then there value would decrease.

In the early 90's every yuppie wanted a 3 series bmw and thats why the value is still high. Compare the second hand prices of a 3 series bmw to a 5, or 7 series and tell me what you see.

[Wink]

i bet u the bmw's, and merc's will keep their value much better than a commodore. Plus they wont break down that often. Its not that hard to make a fast car, but to make it last is a different story

Expensive Euro cars actually hold their value quite poorly and have a high rate of depreciation.

And BMWs/Mercs having a good reliability record is also false.

[madbung]

U-G-L-Y it don't need no alibi it's ugly...damn ugly

Looks very Korean to me...like an enormous Daewoo thats taken a lickin with the ugly stick.. at best its a viva or vectra on roids. The design team just didn't know when to stop glueing unessesary crap on that clay model did they?. Those pumped out guards should only be on the sports versions...they look rediculous on an exec with stock rims/ride height ect. Or maybe the design team got bored and let their kids pimp daddies ride. Very ugly by design & sadly average from an engineering perspective. I wish GMH would try and build something fresh and new instead of just stretching out Opels and whacking on an extra bit here or there where needed. Same old same old from GMH... congratulations you've built a billion dollar rwd Daewoo....excellent.

[kralster]

Ahh the VE is a clean sheet design.

[sigsputnik]

i bet u the bmw's....wont break down that often.

well our series 5 bmw was satan incarnate (no pun intended). it "did things" of its own accord and needed frequent servicing. one time it wouldn't close the sunroof - another it wouldn't let us out of second, heh heh. yep, won't be in a hurry to get another beemer.

Edited January 23, 2007 by sigsputnik

[ctjet]

ever tried to replace a major part in mid 90's beamer?! fark that... god forbid you damage the engine in any way

[madbung]

Ahh the VE is a clean sheet design.

Yes and the world is flat...coz someone from the GMH publicity department says it's so.

Have a look @ the car and tell me they haven't followed the proven Holden formula of taking all the parts available from GM global modify as needed then stuff it into a body thats also stolen its form this time from the european opel of about 5 yrs ago. It's a hotchpotch caserole of commodore crap!!!

U-G-L-Y it don't need no alibi!!! it's ugly...damn ugly.

[Cubes]

BMW's won't break down that often.

lol

The father inlaw owns one and has spent a packet keeping it up and running. (cracked heads, failed idle control etc)

BMW's are nothing more than a European Commodore.

Merc, they are much better.

[scathing]

god forbid you damage the engine in any way

Sounds like the perfect opportunity for an SR / RB conversion

I'd love an SR20DET powered E30 3 series, or an RB powered E34 5 series (although in the latter I'd probably go a 1U-ZFE and keep V8 power.

[phunky_monkey]

Expensive Euro cars actually hold their value quite poorly and have a high rate of depreciation.

And BMWs/Mercs having a good reliability record is also false.

Very true.

If you want proof take a look at 7 series BMW's. Take a look at their new price, and their price now, 4 years down the track... ouch

[kralster]

But look at the more popular models of bmw's and mercs.

Like i said a 3 series beemer will hold it's value damn well compared to a 5 or 7 series.

[sigsputnik]

i suspect the effect we are seeing here has less to do with the car and its mechanicals, and more to do with the value of leasing high ticket cars. A three to four year rollover with 100,000ks is the sweet spot for higher five figure salaries.

[Tangles]

Id prefer the previous model Magna (the awd version) over the new Commodore, any day of the week. But then again, if (IF!!) I ever go back to the mundane Aussie 6/8 banger, I'd go for a 2ndhand BA XR6 Turbo thank you very much. VE Commodore = cat spew

[monaroCountry]

Yes and the world is flat...coz someone from the GMH publicity department says it's so.

Have a look @ the car and tell me they haven't followed the proven Holden formula of taking all the parts available from GM global modify as needed then stuff it into a body thats also stolen its form this time from the european opel of about 5 yrs ago. It's a hotchpotch caserole of commodore crap!!!

Ummmmm any other car currently share the same suspension, chassis, and many other components? Apart from the engine this commodore shares nothing with other GM cars.

Today’s Holden is nothing like Nissan which shares every components among its cheapest cars to its most expensive ones. Heck the new GTR has the same shape as the old 350Z and also the old Hyundai Tiburon.

Take off your Holden hate goggles.

[Cubes]

Sharing components is smart.

lol I noticed my old mans new Navara uses the EXACT same door latch bits that my R32 uses!!!! lol

Mine are starting to look a little long in the tooth 15yrs odd later.

[sigsputnik]

Heck the new GTR has the same shape as the old 350Z and also the old Hyundai Tiburon.

Take off your Holden hate goggles.

It's true that Nissan is sharing platforms, but the new GTR is brand new from the ground up.

[scathing]

Heck the new GTR has the same shape as the old 350Z

What's the shape got to do with it? The new Commodore looks like an Astra. But I know its, for the first time, all new and custom to holden rather than an Opel hand-me-down.

[Busky2k]

BMW's are nothing more than a European Commodore.

Merc, they are much better.

Oh and what makes Merc not the European Falcon then? They are even worse if you ask me.

[Cubes]

Apart from Merc's being expensive, nothing.

I have no idea how Merc's are reliability wise, I know the BMW's are not the best.

[boot_it]

the ve is just like any other commodore a bucket of shit

wait till u see what goes on behind closed doors the ve/wm has more problems than u can poke a stick at

at least the ve comes with a custom paddleing pool in the passangers footwell

they should give away a free rubber duck with every ve/wm sold to keep the passanger amused (as the a/c drain tube doesnt seal propley and leak water on the floor)

and when that problem is fixed then the hvac module are prone to failing so u will never use the a/c system propley

creaks from the a-piller from bad spot welds

the alarm system is a joke (better off buying a super cheap system)

it takes about 2 seconds to remove the led indicators from the front guards (and u wont break it and u dont need any tools to remove it)

the list goes on ??????