Defect N 2 Fines :(

[saff_cossie]

My apologies about writing the word "loophole". I should have written provision! I am aware of the regulations SteveL. I should reword it then.

On every car NO numberplate is affixed permanately, you can take them off anytime you like! Unless they have 1 way screws. I see no difference if he had them on his front window, as they too are not permanately affixed even if siliconed them on.

It also states (subsection d) one numberplate MUST be on the rear and front of the car. He had done that. If a officer can see it on a 45 degree angle either side of the car there should be no problem. Nothing in the regs suggests he has to affix it to his bumper bar.

In all if he takes it to court, it would be up to the magistrate to decide.

Cheers,

Jay

I would disagree with your number plate not being affixed permanently statement. By fixing it with screws it means it isnt "placed" on the dash in front of the windscreen. By your theory, hardly anyhing is permanently fixed on a car as virtually everything is held on by either a screw, a nut or a bolt.

[jrocket]

Hey I was just wondering is it legal for someone to record what the police say to you when you get stopped by them. Like tell them that you are going to record the conversation. Can they so no to this. I would be wondering what they are trying to hide if they said no.

[saff_cossie]

Hey I was just wondering is it legal for someone to record what the police say to you when you get stopped by them. Like tell them that you are going to record the conversation. Can they so no to this. I would be wondering what they are trying to hide if they said no.

Yes I believe it is legal to do so provided warning is given like when you phone banks and insurance companies. Graeme could probably clarify any points.

[gdogzgtr]

From what I know you sure can record the conversation and don't have to give any warning at all. We are always reminded to watch what we say as it may be recorded. Alot of the TMU record conversations as they are one up sometimes. I think it's good. I will never agree that police should speak down to people and if you record them doing so hopefully they will get a rocket and not continue to do so. Better for me I would much prefer to work with people that are polite. As stated before I've had no complaints and speaking to "Crooks" nicely has avoided many situations that could have become violent etc and instead they calmed down and everything sorted out.

[R31Nismoid]

My apologies about writing the word "loophole". I should have written provision! I am aware of the regulations SteveL. I should reword it then.

On every car NO numberplate is affixed permanately, you can take them off anytime you like! Unless they have 1 way screws. I see no difference if he had them on his front window, as they too are not permanately affixed even if siliconed them on.

It also states (subsection d) one numberplate MUST be on the rear and front of the car. He had done that. If a officer can see it on a 45 degree angle either side of the car there should be no problem. Nothing in the regs suggests he has to affix it to his bumper bar.

In all if he takes it to court, it would be up to the magistrate to decide.

Cheers,

Jay

And the magistrate will shut that down in a second based on what ive seen them do in my colourful visits over the years.

When your trying to clutch onto a "it was at the front, well... near the middle of the car/front" argument, its not going to hold up.

Its a waste of time, the costs you'll be paying in lawyer fees etc etc does not make it worthwhile.

Its almost like gambling with the court system.

There is a chance you will win, and a chance you wont (as judges are far too inconsistent) but if the odds are very much against you before you start, you dont play the game unless you can afford to loose

[jrocket]

From what I know you sure can record the conversation and don't have to give any warning at all. We are always reminded to watch what we say as it may be recorded. Alot of the TMU record conversations as they are one up sometimes. I think it's good. I will never agree that police should speak down to people and if you record them doing so hopefully they will get a rocket and not continue to do so. Better for me I would much prefer to work with people that are polite. As stated before I've had no complaints and speaking to "Crooks" nicely has avoided many situations that could have become violent etc and instead they calmed down and everything sorted out.

Thanks for the feed back. Just though it would be good to tape what these police on a power trip say so that I can show others as proof. I had one officer stop me a start with the attitude as soon as i got outta the car. I never even said anything yet. I think i will tell them i am recording and see how they change their tune. Its not too bad in the country but as soon as i go to melbourne i get hassled for no reason.

[R TUNE]

i would report it man thats so unfair.

i got pulled over on aus day for a "random licence and regerstration check"

im like ok.

so the coper aproches and i say happy aus day he says same. tell me what hes after im like kool. asks general stuff name dob addy ect. then he ask what ive being doing and what i plan to do i tell him. i say marched in aus day perade for aus army, going to calder park to race this night. he's like surpised and say well done. has a quicke look around the car. then says nice car heads back to his. comes back about 1 min later and says have a nice day.

im in the northen suburbs so not all cops are like u'rs but i would report it.

[linedup33]

hey all just reporting back - i went to springy police station on tuesday last week with my old man, n we asked about the two fines n defect. this police officer was a young dude n reli nice, he sed ye u can get booked for the same thing on the same date - n that those traffic cops love giving out tickets, he personally wouldnt have tho. that cop who was rude to me infront of my misses on that friday nite has received alot of complains from ppl on different occasions so i dun think he's gonna b getting any promotions any time soon im getting the rwc done n gonna drop it off at vic roads asap. with the 2 fines n losing 6 points - i still havnt recieved anything in the mail about that so ill just pay those n if i do lose my licence that police officer in springy told me that i can take the option of having 1 point for the next 12months, so ill just do that...its kinda like fishing onli the unlucky ones get caught - n the cops r reli cracking down on p platers n especially skyline owners after that riot.

[assyrian4evaa]

hey all just reporting back - i went to springy police station on tuesday last week with my old man, n we asked about the two fines n defect. this police officer was a young dude n reli nice, he sed ye u can get booked for the same thing on the same date - n that those traffic cops love giving out tickets, he personally wouldnt have tho. that cop who was rude to me infront of my misses on that friday nite has received alot of complains from ppl on different occasions so i dun think he's gonna b getting any promotions any time soon im getting the rwc done n gonna drop it off at vic roads asap. with the 2 fines n losing 6 points - i still havnt recieved anything in the mail about that so ill just pay those n if i do lose my licence that police officer in springy told me that i can take the option of having 1 point for the next 12months, so ill just do that...its kinda like fishing onli the unlucky ones get caught - n the cops r reli cracking down on p platers n especially skyline owners after that riot.

why would they crack down on skylines man???

[linedup33]

I dunno but i asked one cop who pulled me over, if my plates had been black listed coz i keep getting pulled over n he sed nah coz of the car i drive.

[adznight]

See man... South-Eastern suburbs is poo!!

YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ANY OF THIS CRAP FROM ANY COPS AROUND NORTHERN SUBURBS!

So what are you saying? Move to North so I don't get defected? lol. NORTH is poo....I'd rather be defected in South East than live in North