Is Going From 34gtt To 32gtr Upgrade Or Downgrade

[markimak]

daily car for nerds = hyundai

daily car for people who love cars = R32 GTR

* I drove one as a work car for 3 years, Group A turbos, cams etc.. very tractible and easy going.

* Better than a GTT as you don't have to worry about spirited driving during winter. Unlike the GTT that makes an R32 GTR a car for 'All Seasons'

* I got 450+kms to a tank of fuel, A few friends running the d-jetro power FC's have got as many as 600kms.

* for those questioning the longevity my old R32 GTR had covered almost 250,000kms before it need a freshen up. Seen plenty of rooted RB25's at much lower kms and far lower power levels. The Rb25 is a glass jaw engine when compared to the RB26.

So really a Daily car for people who love cars with not much cash = R34 GTT.

The newer car thing is bollocks, it's all about condition, there isn't anything in new attractive technology in the povo'pack GTT. By that theory alone a 2007 hyundai excel is better than an R34 GTR. The comparison is less extreme but, basically the same.

hmm 450kms per tank is what i get.. maybe bit more..

cant believe this thread is still going. mm my GTR is soo nice and fat.. looks great

the GTT is like a shaved moneky crude and boxy.. and it still misses.. why?

hwat do u mean about Group A turbos.. u talking about N1s or the turbos they used to see 600hp?

[limpus]

Have a look at the car on this link and then tell me if its a downgrade to go to a 32gtr...

Clicky

[rev210]

Newer car = newer tech

newer suspension bits, newer interior parts, newer paint, newer engine blah blah blah blah

Thats whats attractive about new cars.

Even if the GTR is factory condition (which 99.9% aren't) it still won't have the build quality of an r33 or r34, and if you've owned more than one you can see the small and big things as the models go up. Nissan engineers were never going to go backwards

If you have alot of $ and want something real quick of course the GTR is going to deliver over the GTT, but its not always just about that for some... its not hard to get say 350rwhp outta a GTT which makes it a comfortable, fast and enjoyable car, if you want more than that then the GTR would be much more suitable.

Newer car = newer tech?

* WRONG In areas you don't care about in the GTT. It lacks a great deal of technology compared to the R32GTR and basically is well down on tech features the GTR has that make the car good to drive.

Newer suspension bits = good?

*WRONG: The factory R32GTR springs and shocks offer much better for performance than the stocker GTT.

Newer paint?

* WRONG Thats a statement about condition. I have seen plenty of R32 original paint work that even today would be considered mint. GTR owners are more likely to care for the vehicle I find.

Newer engine?

* WRONG Again a statement about condition. The RB25 is as old as the RB26 but, is so much less of a motor.

Thats whats attractive about new cars?

* Invalid. The GTT is NOT a NEW car it's a second hand one that is at least 7 almost 8 years old.

99.9% of GTR's not in factory condition?

* Due to GTT's being at least 7 to 8 years old neither are they, it's a second hand market. Assuming more GTTs are closer to factory condition is just that, an assumption not a fact.

Nissan engineers never going backwards?

* They went back to 2WD technology on the GTT model as one example, heavy steel guards and bonnet, single turbo, single throttle body etc....

350rwhp GTT?

* can't get the power to the ground on the road in the dry

* can't get half of the power to the ground on the road in the wet

* You need a 'Built' Rb25 to live at that power level for any long period of time

* You need to upgrade everything from fuel pump / injectors / turbo and the list goes on to even achieve it

350rwhp GTR

* With very little mods you can make this power on a stock engine/ turbos /injectors.

* The engine will happily live with the power

* You can actually put the power to the ground in the dry

* You can actually put the power to the ground in the wet

That makes the 350rwhp R32 GTR a more comfortable , faster and more enjoyable car to drive.

If you wanted more than that an R32 GTR is more suitable too.

[Topaz]

^ I <3 that post ^

It seems only the people who have owned a R32GTR are seeing the light here.

All these claims of the old RB26 being an explosion waiting to

happen from gtst owners who spinout and crash before the engine gets a chance to die

Thats bollocks I know

[smurf80]

They went back to 2WD technology on the GTT model as one example, heavy steel guards and bonnet, single turbo, single throttle body etc....

They didnt go back to 2WD technology for the GTT the GTT is the newer version of the Gtst NOT a GTR which has always been 2WD.

Newer suspension bits = good?

*WRONG: The factory R32GTR springs and shocks offer much better for performance than the stocker GTT.

No one has ever said they are better than GTR shocks but these springs and shocks are 15+ years old if still factory. a 7+ year old would be in better condition then the later. And when I mean condition im talking bout things being weathered and falling apart from age not just the way the car has been driven.

Newer engine?

* WRONG Again a statement about condition. The RB25 is as old as the RB26 but, is so much less of a motor.

Wrong again the Rb25 didnt come out till the R33 the RB26 was sold along side the RB20 in R32 guise so there for the production life of the motor is longer than the 25. Im not talking about when the were designed as there were probably designed round the same time and the RB25 is just an RB20 with increased capacity and a few little extras etc but the motor is still younger in a production point of view.

Chris

Edited January 31, 2007 by alphanumeric

[Mr. Keets]

It seems only the people who have owned a R32GTR are seeing the light here.

Different strokes fo different folks. Check out that link to the black 32...Man i dig it but alot of GTT types wont...its just not what they're about

All these claims of the old RB26 being an explosion waiting to

happen from gtst owners who spinout and crash before the engine gets a chance to die

Thats bollocks I know

...original build 430RWHP @1.3 - good oil pressure no issues...fingers crossed

[markimak]

^ I <3 that post ^

It seems only the people who have owned a R32GTR are seeing the light here.

All these claims of the old RB26 being an explosion waiting to

happen from gtst owners who spinout and crash before the engine gets a chance to die

Thats bollocks I know

ahaha

yeah ok. so the theory is that old 17yo GTRs blow up.. right.. thats a yes and knw story. it depends on condition realy. i knw of MORE RB25 and RB20 spinning bearings than GTRs that has had any engine problems. my mate GTR has 130kms on the clock and it idles better than a GRJ120 prado V6.. he produced massive figures on standard turbos which have last him that long.. and how? due to matinence and not pushing beyond limits. he did also clean his oil lines in terps..

its funny how people drive a RB25 R33 and put a GTR spoiler on and GTR badge and think they have a race car.. saw one at hyperdome last night GTST was designed as the poverty pack GTR. i knw its hard to swallow.

haha has anyone actualy felt the standard GTR suspension.. i knw of some in perfect condition which are far tighter than the GTT ohlin coilovers..

i like the GTT but i love my GTR

[Topaz]

i like the GTT but i love my GTR

Yet your selling it? I spose with owning a GTR there comes a time when you need to sew your pockets back up/get some new pants....

My GTR sits at 130kkms as well and its a daily, which is what any car needs to continue to run properly.

[smurf80]

ahaha

yeah ok. so the theory is that old 17yo GTRs blow up.. right.. thats a yes and knw story. it depends on condition realy. i knw of MORE RB25 and RB20 spinning bearings than GTRs that has had any engine problems. my mate GTR has 130kms on the clock and it idles better than a GRJ120 prado V6.. he produced massive figures on standard turbos which have last him that long.. and how? due to matinence and not pushing beyond limits. he did also clean his oil lines in terps..

its funny how people drive a RB25 R33 and put a GTR spoiler on and GTR badge and think they have a race car.. saw one at hyperdome last night GTST was designed as the poverty pack GTR. i knw its hard to swallow.

haha has anyone actualy felt the standard GTR suspension.. i knw of some in perfect condition which are far tighter than the GTT ohlin coilovers..

i like the GTT but i love my GTR

As someone has already said if you love your GTR so much why sell it and move down to a GTST?

I apprecitate both Models on there own merrits as do alot of people as at the end of the day they are both called a "skyline"

Chris

Edited January 31, 2007 by alphanumeric

[markimak]

hehe ur still going on mate.

hmm a GTT a lemon. i thought it was a new car and would have less problems. thats what half the post here are saying?

the GTT has a miss which is associated with the coilpacks and the silicon fix did not work.. so is a genuine 47k GTT a lemon when it came with 3k Volk Te37 265 potenzas and ohlin coilovers.? for the same price as my GTR? quite a steal in my eyes.

its prob best that people post in this thread if they have previously driven one of both of the cars and can give a deffinate unbiased opinion of these two cars.

thanks chris

[smurf80]

hehe ur still going on mate.

hmm a GTT a lemon. i thought it was a new car and would have less problems. thats what half the post here are saying?

the GTT has a miss which is associated with the coilpacks and the silicon fix did not work.. so is a genuine 47k GTT a lemon when it came with 3k Volk Te37 265 potenzas and ohlin coilovers.? for the same price as my GTR? quite a steal in my eyes.

its prob best that people post in this thread if they have previously driven one of both of the cars and can give a deffinate unbiased opinion of these two cars.

thanks chris

See jumping the gun again are we mate? I have driven both 32 GTR and a 34GTT and I can comment just as you are. Doesnt matter if it came with all the fruit that your brothers car did cars straight of the showroom floor can have problems from day one this is what is called a "lemon" K's have nothing to do with it.

And Coil pack problems are common in 34's its no secret.

Chris

[markimak]

hehe.

just from going on reading ur previous comments i took a wild stab thinking u had no idea.. guess ther is intelligent life. i mean u wer going on brake perfromance by visual alterations.

anyway

if u want to argue with me send me a PM instead of directly argueing through this thread. ive had my vote and its a round 50/50

GTR is an upgrade so long as u find a good one.

Edited January 31, 2007 by markimak

[Topaz]

alpha, I don't even know what your fighting for here

[smurf80]

alpha, I don't even know what your fighting for here

I agree both cars are good and if you can afford a GTR and the maitenence associated with it go for it They are well designed cars.

My last response is whatever the topic starter decides to buy make sure he gets it throughly checked out so he has a good base to start with.

Cheers

Chris

Edited January 31, 2007 by alphanumeric

[smurf80]

hehe.

just from going on reading ur previous comments i took a wild stab thinking u had no idea.. guess ther is intelligent life. i mean u wer going on brake perfromance by visual alterations.

anyway

if u want to argue with me send me a PM instead of directly argueing through this thread. ive had my vote and its a round 50/50

GTR is an upgrade so long as u find a good one.

Edited January 31, 2007 by alphanumeric

[markimak]

Its just people posting silly comments which alot of the time arnt factual just there own 2cents I agree both cars are good and if you can afford a GTR and the maitenence associated with it go for it They are well designed cars.

My last response is whatever the topic starter decides to buy make sure he gets it throughly checked out so he has a good base to start with.

Cheers

Chris

hmm. 2cents worth.. more so facts from my computer so hope thats not directed at me

and judgin by his tittle im guessing he wants to knw if trading in his R34 GTT for a BNR32 is a worthwhile exercise...

anyway no point arguing most likely meet u at the tuesday night dinners at some point.

have a good one chris.

thanks

mark.

[rev210]

They didnt go back to 2WD technology for the GTT the GTT is the newer version of the Gtst NOT a GTR which has always been 2WD.

The 4wd attessa technology is newer than the 2wd tech found on the GTT. It's older tech.

No one has ever said they are better than GTR shocks but these springs and shocks are 15+ years old if still factory. a 7+ year old would be in better condition then the later.

*You assume too much. My 1991 R32 GTR original shocks and springs , having traveled 240,000kms + handled better than a low km GTT.

And when I mean condition im talking bout things being weathered and falling apart from age not just the way the car has been driven.

* You again assume too much. My old car was very well maintained something you find is more common with GTRs as they were $110k brand new, and the people who bought them initially had the money to ensure the kms they put on didn't cost the cars condition. The first few owners were well off meaning the service work is more likely to be done in accordance with the factory reccomendations. No one would even dream of saying the same of the GTT /GTST's, they were cheap versions for the average joe public.

Wrong again the Rb25 didnt come out till the R33 the RB26 was sold along side the RB20 in R32 guise so there for the production life of the motor is longer than the 25.

* No mate. You are wrong again. The RB25 was offered in the R32 GTS as a Povo RB25NA.

Im not talking about when the were designed as there were probably designed round the same time and the RB25 is just an RB20 with increased capacity and a few little extras etc but the motor is still younger in a production point of view.

* No it isn't. for the above reason. The RB25 has it's heady origins as a budget NA option.

* On top of all that the fact is the Rb26 was designed as a Group A motor. The RB25 was not.

[wolfwood]

u serious about the brakes..

hmm Group A racing machine Vs comfortable old mans car.

believe me when u own both and drive them. ull realise what a shit box the R34 is compared to something real.

in regards to comfort. i like the seating position in the R32 GTR. its far better. its lower and seated better. feel like ur in a car rather than on top of the R34. the steering wheel on the R34 is better. but nothing flash. the dash and surounds are PLASTIC. and the door handles are cheap and nasty.. 47000kms and they are peeling. GTR 100,000kms perfect!.. the interior is also more flimsy.. the passenger window switch is uin a akward place. as well the center console is higher than in the GTR.

the seats in the GTR are far better quality!..

and please dont get me started on the rears.. a plus for the GTT is the 5 seat belts..

THE RB25 is inferior in power despite claimed 206kw

the rear diff is a viscous compared to the 2 way mech in the BNR32

the gearbox is good. the auto is shit. the tip is a step up. but is laggy and quite dull.

and they mounted the battery in the engine bay again..? why? the R33 was in the back?

the boot is deeper but smaller in the R34. and gas strut boot is wasted weight.

the aluminum guars and bonnet on the GTR is far lighter. as well as the standard GTR suspension is far stiffer.

GTR sway bars are thicker. blah blah blah.

i still fail to see anything that stands out in general appeal.

206kw please.

also a XENON headlamp dip on the R34.. who they hell uses that.. wasted weight..

GTT dnt look as good bore like a boxy KE70

the BNR32 is a fat machine and the best looking skyline ever.

enough said.

have fun in whatever u do.

whats funny is my 1991 GTR is 8years older and shits on it still.

GTR POWAH

+1

[smurf80]

edited.

Edited January 31, 2007 by alphanumeric

[PHATR32]

f**king thanks that, the r32 made me blow my load and shit my pants at the same time.

GTR > everything! for ever!

Have a look at the car on this link and then tell me if its a downgrade to go to a 32gtr...

Clicky