Drag Tag, Thumbs Down To Vic Cops

[HypeR33]

I forgot that I'm in the Victorian forum.

You mean to tell me that you guys don't have an Engineering Certification system to pass your mods? I can technically run a lot more mods than "springs, catback" in NSW and get the car certified so its 100% street legal.

I am not complaining about the vic rules or anything (because so far *touch wood* I have had no problems from police that have driven passed/stopped at lights etc), but why is there not an Australian standard with regards to this? We have Australian Design Rules that have to be met no matter where you are in Oz...and yet things like this are state driven.

I know that my car is perfectly fine in WA and QLD...maybe NSW...why is it that Victorian rules are so strict compared to what the rest of the country seems to be? Is it to keep vehicle performance down? Has it always been this strict, or is it a recent government change?

Cheers

[mlyf16]

2) However. The police attitude is currently counter productive.

There is no ownership of a problem. A policeman who gives out a bullshit defect notice is not chastised. They are not answerable for handing out what amounts to a time wasting fine, even when it´s proven later that they didn´t know (Or chose to ignore) the law.

This is an abuse of power and a corruption of proper policing. Plain and simple.

This does not excuse the people who gambled by having illegal mods and lost. Do what you can to change the laws, I´m all for that. Don´t like the chances though.

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STRONG POINT!!! This is really an abuse of power especially the chadstone incident, cars are parked n I believe none of the cars are even running. Have anyone have any update on this incident???

[HypeR33]

No one has said this any better... I agree 110%... whats with them not pulling bikers over? they're well over 90db or is it a different law for bikes?

bikes are allowed slightly higher from the article that was on one of the other threads...94db or something like that. Although there are so many bikes out there that would fail that. I know that my ducati was well over 100db with ducati's own performance pipes which you can buy as an accessory...and you hear some harleys out there that sound like they would be over 120db!!

It is exactly the same in WA. Bikes, smoking old bunkies etc seem to go un-noticed, but get an import and they are all over it.

[scathing]

The ADRs are the Australian minimum standard, but since the roads and registration authorities are state-based they have the option of including a higher minimum standard.

If the ADR for noise is 90dB (I don't actually know off the top of my head), a state government can introduce an 85dB limit in their state, but not a 91 dB one.

I was listening to Spoonman on the Austereo network a while ago (its a talkback show, but on FM) and he was saying that state governments were pretty much useless. They're like your typical middle man - just a waste of money, and add nothing positive to the mix.

He proposed having a regional government to supercede local government (so maybe it'll encompass several of your current shires / wards / etc) and a federal government.

What does state government do, really? Policy for transport, education, health, etc should be done at a federal level. And the day to day operation / maintenance of this infrastructure should be done at the local / regional level.

So you have a federal government for policy, and regional governments for implementation. That way the rules are consistent, no matter where you go, but the guys actually out there doing the work and who can see its effects first hand and quickly are relatively local.

[Betz]

dont do anything wrong and you will be fine...

omg I almost believe that ^^

[HypeR33]

but why is it that the Vic authorities took such a hard line? For example, you can have a pod or fmic (if not in standard position), but not both? What is the reason for this? So if I have a GTR I can replace the front mount with a bigger one (because it is in standard position) AND get a pod filter? Or the illegal use of aftermarket ecu's which can be tuned endlessly, or bigger injectors...they dont increase emissions by themselves, they will just run at a lower duty cycle????

Just trying to find out why they would have made some of these mods 'illegal'...

Cheers

[Gazee]

dont do anything wrong and you will be fine...

omg I almost believe that ^^

I can safely say that its not true lol

Don't do anything wrong as in don't act like a clown on the road?

or

Don't do anything wrong as in don't illegally mod your car?

[2rismo]

The reason I asked for pics of the cops/defect station outside Drag Tag is because I don't believe it ever existed. Sorry, but the management at Drag Tag are in almost daily consultation with the local Police and one car defected in 8 weeks of these events running seems more likely than an imagined defect station.

Hands up if you were defected when leaving Drag Tag in the immediate vicinity as described...

[TracidTrax]

last time i checked driving on the road with illegal mods = illegal

why is it a special case because you drive it to a driving simulator thing.

what different does it make? the mods are still illegal

Last time i checked, having a PFC in your car is also illegal Paul, im sure if a cop pulls u over and some how does find out u have one he will get defect u + send u on your way to EPA

i like the new add for Calder park drags about not getting your car inpounded for being a hoon etc.... and come to Calder Friday night drags and do it all legally..... How long before they abuse that as well....

Time will tell and hopefully the Victorian police respect those dragging their cars in safe and legal conditions.

Their actions tonight obviously don't say much.

i remember going to Calder park some time late last year and on my way home i saw a few cops patrolling Calder HWY, I have a fair idea of what they were doing

much like robbing a service station

you are putting yourself in the situation to be arrested and goto jail

id say its nothing like robbing a service station

[2rismo]

Come on guys!!! At one point there was 10 people at a time all over this thread and now that the facts of the matter have been asked for, all I hear is crickets!

[Betz]

I can safely say that its not true lol

Don't do anything wrong as in don't act like a clown on the road?

or

Don't do anything wrong as in don't illegally mod your car?

well both..

I wouldnt dare drive my car around dandynong/noble park.. even at 10k's below

and at times people get defected when thier car is totally leagal, sure it may be easy to lift the defect by going to your RWC guy but its still a pain in the arse

that said back in the day I had a tunnel ramed XT GT with a button clutch and no bonnet, was pulled over and told to behave myself

I guess its whatever is on the coppers adjenda at the time. point is that the police have declared all out war on the modified car scene in (residential area's atleast)

its usually a few idiots screwing the scene for responsable people which sux, but its the way of things and these days I'm scared to drive my car down to quix to get some smoke for fear of not returning...

[RellikZephyr]

everyone seems to be saying "keep your car legal and you wont have any trouble"

come on...say it all you want we know its not true

anyone here read MrToy33's thread, his car is legal, didnt stop idiot cops giving him defect notice (fought it and won)

i dont think its the police as whole, they are doing what they think they need to do to keep the public safe

it comes down to individuals, most cops are good but some are wankers (even if they werent cops they would still be wankers)

same as car enthuiests, most are good but some are wankers (and even with drag tag and the like, they will still take it to the streets)

same with EVERYTHING, minority ruins it for the majority

My 2c

RellikZephyr

[Gazee]

well both..

I wouldnt dare drive my car around dandynong/noble park.. even at 10k's below

and at times people get defected when thier car is totally leagal, sure it may be easy to lift the defect by going to your RWC guy but its still a pain in the arse

that said back in the day I had a tunnel ramed XT GT with a button clutch and no bonnet, was pulled over and told to behave myself

I guess its whatever is on the coppers adjenda at the time. point is that the police have declared all out war on the modified car scene in (residential area's atleast)

its usually a few idiots screwing the scene for responsable people which sux, but its the way of things and these days I'm scared to drive my car down to quix to get some smoke for fear of not returning...

yea i got pulled over for tmu seeing my intercooler, i dont speed i dont drive erratically... my car is standard height but you can just see the cooler... they said it usualy leads to a number of other things lol

The bright yellow sticker gives them $177 a pop... nice $$ when hanging outside a place and setting up a road block... i don't see them going through a maccas or kfc when theres 100's of ppl sitting around their cars either..

I wish they could just pull us over and tell us to be good lol but regarding the idiots on the road... yes they f**ked it for anyone with a nice car not just import... MEGABLITZ they call it on TV... media.. pfft... making people scared is all their good for...

[ziad]

removed my statement.

[Roy]

2rismo has touched on it...and i will add. I wasnt there and have no idea what the facts are.

But since someone mentioned track days. We have had Police rock up to a number of the track days i participate in, also the DECA events the club runs and it has always been in the spirit of the event o see ppl having a blast. They ever broke out the radar at Calder and clocked cars on the straight.

Its pretty sad when ppl see Police and panic or feel threatened. Sadly it seems to be the norm. If you walk past police on foot patrol in the city...whats the big deal. In a perfect world if your just driving along and pass a plice car then it should be the same thing. Well thats at least how i view it.

[Gazee]

Its pretty sad when ppl see Police and panic or feel threatened. Sadly it seems to be the norm. If you walk past police on foot patrol in the city...whats the big deal. In a perfect world if your just driving along and pass a plice car then it should be the same thing. Well thats at least how i view it.

You only feel threatened if you have something to hide... like a massive turbo under your bonnet lol

[dezz]

My car has 175kw @ all 4 wheels

Highflow CAT and air intake filter, gave me 25kw.

BTW I am running a stock exhaust system and stock ECU which is set on Advanced settings not standard.

I was actually talking about GTS-t's/GT-T's but even still, what are you going to do to go past 175awkw....

[ctjet]

You only feel threatened if you have something to hide... like a massive turbo under your bonnet lol

not always, i panic every time i see a TMU drive anywhere near me... its the old feeling of "oh no, not again" that i cant shake off no matter what im driving

[GTAAAH]

Ditto, except i get it in my skyline, my valiant and when i drive my sisters corolla... always dreading those red and blue lights, they're so evil, i wonder if they've been subliminely making me afraid of them through TV or something ¬¬

[Gazee]

Ditto, except i get it in my skyline, my valiant and when i drive my sisters corolla... always dreading those red and blue lights, they're so evil, i wonder if they've been subliminely making me afraid of them through TV or something ¬¬

LOL yea... i get paranoid with em bad... maybe its the drugs