Tarmac Rally Brake Pad Recommendation

[PHaT MR30]

Just looking into options for what brake pads to run in our Targa car.

Its a bit of a pain as we've had to downgrade the front brakes from brembo's to R32 GTR's in order to clear the standard wheels (16x6.5 s15 rims). Still running the brembo's on the rear (2 piston).

I don't know much about brake pads but the names Pagid, Hawk, SBS are the few mentioned.

Im not really sure what heat range is required for Tarmac rally, but one would assume you would want good initial bite etc etc

Anyway ive looked at Ferodo DS3000 and they look ok, has anyone used them?

What about Project MU or Nismo pads?

Just looking around as might be able to get sponsor to supply a set, depending on recommendations and availability.

[phunky_monkey]

I'm using the Project MU NC pads in R32 calipers and they work a treat. 0-800 degree rating, so work well from cold, and so far no fade after 5 laps.

I'd highly recommend them.

[sav man]

We'r running Hawk Blacks in our car, i've got the paper for them at home that has the heat ranges on it.

[PHaT MR30]

I'm using the Project MU NC pads in R32 calipers and they work a treat. 0-800 degree rating, so work well from cold, and so far no fade after 5 laps.

I'd highly recommend them.

with a heat range like that do they take a bit to get up to operating temp or what?

We'r running Hawk Blacks in our car, i've got the paper for them at home that has the heat ranges on it.

Adam mention Hawk Blacks, but i know nothing about them. and you know what he says to me?

Navigators job, you find out (common response now).

[sav man]

Looking at the sheet i'm not sure if we have Blacks or HT10's

Blacks temp range is 100-900F

HT10's are 300-1300F

I'll find the box tomorrow and find what they are.

So is Adam just being lazy? He's done a fair bit of racing, so i thought he's know a good pad off the top of his head. Just get some bendex ultimates, you'll never get another job again

[someonestolecc]

I'm using the Project MU NC pads in R32 calipers and they work a treat. 0-800 degree rating, so work well from cold, and so far no fade after 5 laps.

I'd highly recommend them.

I think the NC are the street or "light trackwork" pad. I used to have them in my cef I believe they're rated up to 350degrees. Never had em fade significantly even under heavy usage (but not circuit abuse).

The 800 ones are titan's or HCs or something.

[PHaT MR30]

Looking at the sheet i'm not sure if we have Blacks or HT10's

Blacks temp range is 100-900F

HT10's are 300-1300F

I'll find the box tomorrow and find what they are.

So is Adam just being lazy? He's done a fair bit of racing, so i thought he's know a good pad off the top of his head. Just get some bendex ultimates, you'll never get another job again

Yeh pretty much, maybe i should just get a set of powermax or something

I reckon Blacks would be more likely.

I keep looking at these Ferodo DS3000's though.... someone must have used them!

[phunky_monkey]

I think the NC are the street or "light trackwork" pad. I used to have them in my cef I believe they're rated up to 350degrees. Never had em fade significantly even under heavy usage (but not circuit abuse).

The 800 ones are titan's or HCs or something.

Sorry, my bad. I have the Titan HC's.

Mr30: With a heat range from 0 it would indicate that they work from well cold, whereas if you see the range of the hawk blacks it starts at 300, indicating it needs a bit of temp to get them working well.

That's my understanding anyway

Ferni uses DS3000's, or has in the past. He said they worked well, but chewed through rotors. Don't know how well they work from cold though.

[sav man]

I checked the box, we've got HT10's. I'm not sure if we're changing them for black's or not for Targa.

[grandmasterb]

Tim the only real problem you will find running with pads like the DS3000's, PAGIDS, HAWKS is that they tend to require a little more heat in them before they really start to bite hard.

Now this isn't really a problem on most of the Targa stages but there are a few that have some hard braking in the first couple of k's.

I know when i was looking at pads last time for the 32 to run on the track i was having alot of trouble with locking wheels with the PAGID's and also with the EBC's that i tried.

Have a talk to Benno and ask what he was running (he would also know what Perry was running) personally i would go EBC yellows as i have tried and liked them in the past

[ferni]

yeah i've used DS3000 along with most of the other GTR track guys in sauvic. They chew your rotors big time when cold, so don't daily drive, but otherwise they are good. Need a bit of heat in them to get them to bite hard which may be your only issue for tarmac rally stuff compared to circuit sprints...

[Targa Tom]

Used SBS DC from after trying EBC for two years in the R32. Used Dual Carbon ones, same calipers, same disc, similar weight...

Tried DS3000/2500 in Evo, ran sbs at Rally Tas - horn

Holywood will love 'em.

TT

[t01-100]

If you'd your willing to spend the dollars - Pagid RS42 (blue) is what you want (Competition Friction/V-Sport). Very very progressive feel, not hard on rotors, come on straight away even with serious ducting and perfect heat range for tarmac, particually considering you guys won't see the super long targa stages.

I used to circuit race the GTSt on Hawk Blacks, they were good but far too bitey for the road even if your running ABS. I've used the Pagids on my 200SX, GTST and GTR and they are simply awesome.

Edited March 5, 2007 by t01-100

[t01-100]

Further to GMB the EBC yellows are too high in the heat range and you've got nothing for the first corner... add ducting and you've got nothing for two corners!

EBC red are too low and you'll melt them... have seen it!

[Marlin]

If you'd your willing to spend the dollars - Pagid RS42 (blue) is what you want (Competition Friction/V-Sport). Very very progressive feel, not hard on rotors, come on straight away even with serious ducting and perfect heat range for tarmac, particually considering you guys won't see the super long targa stages.

I used to circuit race the GTSt on Hawk Blacks, they were good but far too bitey for the road even if your running ABS. I've used the Pagids on my 200SX, GTST and GTR and they are simply awesome.

Right on, I agree, the blue's are spot on on the std size rotor package. We used them on the Suby Sti that weighed 1850 kg with us in it, and only experienced slight fade on one stage....... Grasstree Hill on the way down.