Ahahhahah Give Him Some Sympathy

[Guilt-Toy]

Hahahhaaa that is such a good read! cheers

This has to be one of my favorite comments that ive head in a LONG while.

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He has more power and less weight. Get more power (easy) and you will win more races. R33's are a factory built sports car, your SS is a sporty family car. Big differance. You can beat then easily but remember what the car is. If you want to beat sports cars you need to build a sports car.

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Okay so R33's are a factory built sports car.. Funny how they think that and call Skylines "jap taxi's" and what not.

Ohhh well. there attitude is just gold. to be honest i enjoy it and hope they never change.

[gts-4 dreamer]

scathing your mincing words. your true definition of a sports car and a general clasification are 2 different things being mixed up.

[scathing]

scathing your mincing words.

Welcome to the Internet.

When you're arguing about definitions, all you can really do is mince words. If you just let a definition you feel is erroneous stand, its how misinformation becomes canon.

[ProphetR33]

This has to be one of the dumbest threads.

I'm sure they're looking at this and saying the same thing about us "Gee they look like idiots".

The thing about cars is, everyone who is an enthusiast hates cars that are not like their own.

V8 drivers call turbos ricers.

Turbo drivers call them bogans.

Get over it. If you're happy with your car, who cares what anyone else thinks, its a personal choice, and the amount of carrying on going on in this thread makes you look just bad as them bitching about a turbo beating them. Big woop, I know plenty V8s that could absolutely destroy most turbos. Its the way the world works, and the fact of the matter is no matter how good your car is, someone out there is always going to be better.

[Zoggy]

isnt there a brittish tuned evo 8 production car that does 0-100 in 3.6 seconds ??

thats pretty f*kn quick ,

[ProphetR33]

isnt there a brittish tuned evo 8 production car that does 0-100 in 3.6 seconds ??

thats pretty f*kn quick ,

And there's a 2000 camaro concept that does it in 2.7.

I think you missed the point of my post.

[Guilt-Toy]

I love my skylines and turbo's but when it comes to v8's nothing sounds better then a GTHO phase 3. Those cars have status. Some are going for close to half a mill these days. crazy.

I like all cars.. the only ones i dont like are Excel's and daewoo's , KIA's.... those russian things.

Reading through that thread i never been able to see it from their side of things and it interests me.. i would really like to know how many of those guys that are bragging about beating skylines all the time have come up against a 300+ rwkw riceline jap taxi.

Would it be fair to say that buying a r33 $12k and spending 12k on it in the right places could send it down the quarter in 10 seconds and bag at least 320rwkw.

What would 24k get you in a holden ls1 could you even buy one for that ? (i dont know anything about holdens as i am not into them) ?? i dont want to start a shit fight here i am just interested in understanding them a bit more.

[HKS99]

long ass read but quite funny nonetheless.

[mad082]

this thread really does bring out the japanese version of bogans.

a few things to remember about the skyline.

it came in both 2 and 4 door (like the commodore/monaro did).

they are family cars. they are just smaller people so need less space. you try and fit 5 adults into a skyline. the silvia/200sx is more of a sports car than a skyline.

skylines came in turbo/non turbo models (could be compared to v6/v8 in the commodore)

the roads in japan are generally a lot better than in aus so the suspension can be stiffer and smoother than an aussie built car. i know that on a rough road i'd rather be in a aussie built car.

the octane rating of fuel in japan is higher than here, so they can tune the motors for more power. they don't have to detune them so much. the xr6t is tuned so that it will run on 91 octane fuel if you need to. just look at the performance difference between the JDM and ADM 200sx.

earlier model commodores are lighter than skylines.

most v8 commodores out there that people brag about beating have a cat back exhaust (about $500 worth of performance mods). most skylines out there have turbo back exhaust, boost controller and FMIC. now depending on brands thats anywhere from $1000 to $2000 worth of mods. which is more than what the commodore has. spend the same on the commodore and see how much it gains. and then if the skyline has an aftermarket ecu on it add that onto the cost of mods.

and in my opinion people who put a gtr bodykit on a skyline are no better than someone who puts a hsv bodykit on a commodore.

now i'm, not saying commodores are better, just putting a few things in perspecitve. i get sick of people saying "i wasted a commodore in my skyline" when they may have $3000 worth of performance mods and the commodore has just had an exhaust done. i'd be worried if you had spent that much on mods and not beaten a pretty much stock commodore. i think skylines are great cars, but i am a car enthusiest, not a green eyed import monster. i know that a commodore with a bit of money spent on it can beat a skyline, and vice versa.

[mad082]

What would 24k get you in a holden ls1 could you even buy one for that ? (i dont know anything about holdens as i am not into them) ?? i dont want to start a shit fight here i am just interested in understanding them a bit more.

yes. you can pick up a gen 3 ss for about $15

[Guilt-Toy]

ok so how much to get them to do a 10 sec quarter??

yes. you can pick up a gen 3 ss for about $15

[ProphetR33]

ok so how much to get them to do a 10 sec quarter??

Does it really matter?

You can buy a datsun 1200 for $1000 and spend 20grand on an engine to get it to run 10secs. Does it make it a car that you would buy?

Everyone likes the styling or driving characteristics of their car for some reason, its all personal preference.

Not everything revolves around how fast your car does a quarter in.

[Guilt-Toy]

I asked a question. if you cant answer it then dont.

[scathing]

What would 24k get you in a holden ls1 could you even buy one for that ? (i dont know anything about holdens as i am not into them) ?? i dont want to start a shit fight here i am just interested in understanding them a bit more.

APS' TT kit and an exhaust on a LS1 sees you at 400rwkW. It'll only see you into the 11's, but if you have some change left over you could look at doing some suspension work to put that power down. I doubt the kit would cost more than $15K all told. And you're getting a newer car in the bargain.

And, don't forget, APS is notoriously overpriced for the power you get. You could probably go to a less anal-retentive company and get the same output for a lot less.

However, the APS car will be completely street legal. And while you might be a second faster across 400m, over 30km of metropolitan roads on a Friday or Saturday night chances are the Commodore will get to the end a lot faster because you've been pulled over and defected in your overly loud car with its surging power delivery.

[mad082]

ok so how much to get them to do a 10 sec quarter??

does that determine which is a better car? how much it takes to get it to run a 10 second pass? if you go off that line of thinking then my mates sigma wins hands down. cost him $2500 for the car, spent $2500 putting a redtop sr20 in it and on stock ecu, turbo, injectors, etc and stock open centre diff ran a 12.56 at the 2005 jamboree. does that mean its a better car than a commodore? no. it still handled like a car made in 1982, it was twisting the body and tearing the seam of the firewall apart from the launches

[scathing]

does that determine which is a better car? how much it takes to get it to run a 10 second pass?

If all you're interested in is how fast something goes in a straight line, why would you buy a Skyline? I thought they were fully sick "cornering machines"...? I thought straight line drags were the domain of knuckle dragging, heavy-engined V8s....

[Guilt-Toy]

i am not asking which car is better i am just wondering the cost of the setup. I am not interested in getting into any arguements about what is better.

Can the ls1 gearbox's handle the power ? will they break easy and if so how much more would it cost to get a box to handle the job? and how much is a exhaust system worth ?

[fuzzy_scuz]

earlier model commodores are lighter than skylines.

Oh Really so a VL commodore is lighter than an Hr31 skyline? And the Vl has a Nissan bottom end. GMH made turbo commodores, Ford had there Turbo Sierra's all car companies have done it!

The reason that V8's are still alive are for the bogans, the hords of HSV anf FPV fans, hence why they made there own racing class to exclude turbo vehicles. (Not only skylines) They prefer to race with 20 year technology and then proceed to sell Joe public over priced POS that claim to have new features as ESC which has been in most Jap cars for over 10 years. So to all the Joe public who go around with blinkers on buying over priced under equipped vehicles that are direct rip off's of Audi A4's which are only 5k cheaper.

I will choose the Audi with superiour build quality and features over a locally built over priced POS. It is a matter that locally built cars in oz need to step up to the plate and provide the features that overseas models have. They have no real competition with the Federal and state governments helping the industry wit tariff's on imports and tight import laws to slow the stream of privately imported vehicles.

BTW Wheels car of the year mean Jack Sh1T! They are the only ones that made the following the car of the year

Leyland P76!

Holden Camira!

Triumph Stag!

Morris 1250!

All found to be the biggest lemons of all time now add...... VE Commodore (Leaking fuel lines, Gen 3 V8's that still dump oil)

as you can't half tell I am feed up with Aussie built cars and the shit I have gone through with my lease car and my privately owned car.

Imported cars FTW

[OKBANANA]

a few things to remember about the skyline.

they are family cars. they are just smaller people so need less space. you try and fit 5 adults into a skyline. the silvia/200sx is more of a sports car than a skyline.

I wouldnt say a Silvia is more of a sports car than a GTR of the same year.

skylines came in turbo/non turbo models (could be compared to v6/v8 in the commodore)

Compare a 2.0/2.5L Skyline to a 4.0, 3.9L V6 Commodore, Yeah, right..

[DRD-00F]

Seriously,

You guys are just as bad as them.

look at half the comments in this thread.

Half the guys on that forum are decent blokes and I know quite a few, and are proper enthusiasts unlike half here.

Sure, some go on like tools which was demonstrated - but so do half you lot in a reversed situation.

A true enthusiast will respect any car with decent performance no matter what badge lies on the bonnet.

Oh, for the record, I have owned a nicely modified gen3 LS1 - its quicker than my R33 at EC track.

But now Ive spent more on my boat - it will be quicker.

Just remember - every group of car owners (skylines, xr6 turbo's, gen3 commodores, Porsche, NS.com...etc etc) has a

"tool factor" that gives the rest a bad name.

your ruining our fun

and i mostly look at what modifications the person has made to their own car to make it better... thats how i rate people in this car world... most people with Big V8s brag on going, (and i have a friend who is into the car sceneand he said exactly this)

"it made 270 on the dyno"

ME:"cool, what mods have you done to it?"

"None..."

"you GUNNA do any?"

"nup..."

"so... you have a completely stock car and your bragging about how much power YOUR car has... this is more Holdens car then yours right now..."

dunno why but that just shits me...