Gt-r's Past Their Used By Date?

[Roy]

There's another car in Vic with that bar Troy, can't remember his name though. You know it though, white 32 that does 1:17's around Sandown from memory

Yeh thats Sam Markov. His old red R32 GTR had the exact same bar. His current white one has an enlarged intercooler opening and doesnt use the N1 ducts.

The blue R32 Nisspares GTR with R34 GTR wheels down here in Vic also has the same bar. Also Warren Gainsville in his beast of an R32 GTR. So a few have them...im just beign silly They are a great looking bar, even come with front undertray.

[phunky_monkey]

Yeah, they're definately the best bar I've seen for a 32 by far. I've got the issue of Zoom with Sam's Red GT-R in it, loved the bar ever since I saw it in there.

Get one! Who make them? Are they Australian?

[Roy]

Yeh a guy in Vic is doing them. Though if there is anyone in Syd doing them i woudl love to know as they guy down here is semi-retired and hard to line up if your on the other side of the state like me

[Duncan]

Well done to David, Geoff and the team....good to see those pesky rx7s getting beaten

[Roy]

Talking to a friend this afternoon about this. The Loftus GTR time is very impressive given what can be done to the car.

But for the sake of the discussion, i think its more to do with club/road cars. Not race cars that have been rebuilt from scratch and are effectively new cars. Then maintained, stripped and prepared to a standard for racing.

As club/road car i think any 10-17 year old car is showing its age compared to later model STIs, Evos and even S15s etc. What will be interesting is to see ppl play with 350Zs over the next few years.

[djr81]

Talking to a friend this afternoon about this. The Loftus GTR time is very impressive given what can be done to the car.

But for the sake of the discussion, i think its more to do with club/road cars. Not race cars that have been rebuilt from scratch and are effectively new cars. Then maintained, stripped and prepared to a standard for racing.

As club/road car i think any 10-17 year old car is showing its age compared to later model STIs, Evos and even S15s etc. What will be interesting is to see ppl play with 350Zs over the next few years.

Well when I started the discussion it was supposed to be about the sort of road registered car that you take to track days/hill climbs/sprints of whatever description. Not so much about scratch built mega dollar race cars. Even less about people who think GT-R's come with a halo & can nevah loose. Or brakes?

My point was that the newer cars apper to do the same or better lap times with less punishment on the driver & car & also with fewer dollars spent on mods. But I guess that is pretty much inevitable. Otherwise we would all be driving XY falcons or something.

Not sure about the 350Z's. I have only seen one of them out & about over this way. Wasn't that quick - mostly because it just doesn't have the horsepower. It is perhaps telling that the Mitsubishi dealers see fit to organise track days for the Evo boys, but that the Nissan dealers don't bother.

[ferni]

Sandown track day on wednesday just gone.... and once again a street driven GTR topped the times..

http://www.racetime.com.au/?event=s0701&am...mp;view=fastest

Maybe it's not the GTR's that are past their used by date, but the rest of them are catching up

[Roy]

And not taking away from the times that the GTRs were doing. But, have a look at how many of the quick GTRs are still using the std engine, gearbox, brakes, diffs, turbos and shocks/springs. Not many. Essentially the quick GTRs are not showing their age because most of the major components have been replaced.

[Ant97GTR]

While I agree with what you said troy, I can stick my hand up to say that I am (essentially) running a GTR with a std engine, gearbox, brakes, diffs and to a degree turbos and suspn. While not being the quickest car out there on the day I figure that a placing of around 20th out of approx 70 cars isn't bad considering most of the cars that were quicker had a lot of money spent on the bits you mentioned....well either that or a far more talented driver :P

[Roy]

A sorted GTR is no doubt a sharp tool. But i think the word of warning is anyone running out and buying a basic R32 GTR needs to understand they will struggle to get near the times and reliability of an EVO 9 on semi slicks with a re-tune and turbo back exhaust.

[Ant97GTR]

No question that a 32 or even 33 gtr will struggle in the reliability stakes against a new car like the evo 9. That being said you try to find a stock 32 gtr for sale.....most by now have already had some work done to them. Yes the evo is a much lighter car and is therefore easier on both the driver and car to get a quick lap out of it. However if you compare them on a cost vs cost basis, I think 1/2 the cost of an evo will get you a well sorted 32 gtr with enough mods to beat it on a track.

[hrd-hr30]

And not taking away from the times that the GTRs were doing. But, have a look at how many of the quick GTRs are still using the std engine, gearbox, brakes, diffs, turbos and shocks/springs. Not many. Essentially the quick GTRs are not showing their age because most of the major components have been replaced.

what quick cars of any make still use the "std engine, gearbox, brakes, diffs, turbos and shocks/springs"? Not many!

My GTR has std engine, gearbox, brakes, diffs, turbos, but not shocks and springs, running on the standard wheels with standard size 225/50*16 RE55S semi slicks it ran 46.2 at Mt Cotton in full street trim, and without so much as any camber correction. That's fast enough for the record in both Road Registered and Improved Production over 3L classes if they let it run in either of those categories. Not exactly past its use by date. In the AWD Turbo class and it always ran second to an uber-modified WRX that runs on wet compound tyres and only ever runs at the hill. Much newer STi's and EVOs in similar state of tune seem to do 49s... There's plenty of highly modified modern WRXs STi's and EVOs that can't match my very near standard 1989 GTR's times.

its also got a 3rd outright and 1st in class at the '05 Bathurst Speed Weekend Mountain Straight Hillclimb on the RE55S, and 3rd outright on the special tests of the QLD Challenge Road Rally while running on Federal Road tyres.

If GTR's are underperforming against standard newer EVOs and STi's down south, don't blame the hardware.

Edited April 27, 2007 by hrd-hr30

[Roy]

Dont take the observation of someone as an attack.

Based on what you are telling me, your car is a well maintained R32 GTR and is a good example. Now be honest. R32 GTRs are like R32 GTSts and S13s. For every dozen you find two good ones. Most have shagged bushes and suspension, blown anr near blown CVs, even if they have replacements shocks most are 7-10yr old Jap shocks which again are past their best.

Then moving on to the AWD system of the R32 GTR. The computer isnt the quickest of the breed whish when combined to the tired transfer case…well they often aren’t the best in getting their power to the ground.

So then moving on the R32 engines are often tired. They breathe and fill up catch cans. Its not always the case. But as a rule I don’t think im being overly hard on the R32. If you have a very well maintained car then ok. But I tend to feel your car is not a typical example based on the cars I see.

I don’t claim my GTSt is a typical case of R32 GTSts either, even though I have std engine and gearbox and off the shelf suspension. I have spent a lot of money maintaining things and trying to make sure what gear I have on the car is working to the best of its ability.

[djr81]

My point was based around my experience of running in sprint events over here in WA.

For the record.

The suspension is aftermarket. The bushes are good, as is the transfer case. The engine is good.

I try pretty hard, atleast to the limits of my (lack of) talent.

My point was that the amount/number of mods & work in general to keep an R32 competitive with, for example a late model Evo is pretty extensive. Further to keep the car in touch with a range of other eg modded WRX's, Supras etc it has to be driven hard. Checking the tyre temps (by way of an example) on return to pit lane is illustrative when you can do the same on a Supra next to you. Lap times the same (within a few tenths) but my tyre temps (& brake temps) were much, much higher.

None of the thread was an attack on anyone manhood. The reason I made the post is that whilst my lap times are as good as those for people driving GT-R's a couple/three years back, instead of getting outright trophies I get a line in the press release as also ran....

By the way - check the weight of an EVO they are over 1400kg's!

Edited April 27, 2007 by djr81

[hrd-hr30]

I didn't take it as an attack, if that comment was directed at me? But I thought we were talking about wether GTRs were being outclassed on the track by later model awd cars, not wondering why unmaintained shitboxes aren't much chop on the track.

I'm just saying my very standard R32 GTR keeps up with the newer crop without any real trouble, or fancy suspension setups.

Nothing wrong with the R32's attessa system in my veiw (not for near standard car's power levels anyway). But I am used to racing/rallying rwd cars.

there's no doubt in my mind that an R32 GTR is still easily capable of embarassing much newer EVOs and STi's on the track.

I don't think that comparing your tyre temps to other cars tyre temps really tells you anything about the relative performance of the 2 cars. Let the stopwatch take care of that.

Edited April 27, 2007 by hrd-hr30

[Roy]

Are we talkign std EVOs and STIs? if thats the case, sorry i misunderstood. But a std turbo EVO, bolt on some shocks, 2k. An exhaust and a computer and you will have a 240awkw car that already has oil coolers, and enough computers to push you along pretty quick. The fact that ppl are getting them as lease cars and spending a few dollars on them.

LOL...who cares. The real question should be would you want to own a PC with wheels that wont let you have any fun but be quick. Or a car that as far as AWD cars go gives you the oh so simple pleasure of rwd

[JAGR33]

Sandown track day on wednesday just gone.... and once again a street driven GTR topped the times..

http://www.racetime.com.au/?event=s0701&am...mp;view=fastest

And it gets driven regularly, full trim and even has the standard airbox..

I wanted a nice street car, not a race car....

Although a cage would be the smart thing to do considering the times and speeds we're doing....

[hrd-hr30]

Are we talkign std EVOs and STIs? if thats the case, sorry i misunderstood.

hmm, thought you just said a basic GTR would struggle to get near the times of an EVO 9 on semi slicks with a re-tune and turbo back exhaust? guess I misunderstood what you meant by that...

and you also asked how many of the quick GTRs are still using the std engine, gearbox, brakes, diffs, turbos and shocks/springs... sounded like you were implying that some other more modern quick cars were still running std everything unlike the quick GTRs?

I compared my times to other more newer cars in a similar state of tune to mine for comparison (ie very nearly standard - exhaust, springs and shocks), and a number of much more modified ones. I only mentioned standard cars down south because that seemed to be what you were talking about. but I am easily confused!

[Roy]

LOL, no it sounds like we are on the same page. I still stand by from what i am seeing the later model cars are making easier power and getting easier results.

So take 10 R32 GTR, full exhaust, Power Fc and some off the shelf suspension and RE55s...and ditto to 10 x EVO 8 or 9s. My money is that more EVOs will be quicker.

We could each pick examples to support our experience. But its just that personal experience. Il probably see an R32 GTR that proves me worng this afternoon at Phillip Island

I will add the biggest factor could really be the tracks and events the cars are entered in.