Pod Filter For R33 Gts-t

[Sepp]

Hi guys, I just want to know if there are any risks in just taking out the original airbox from my R33 gts-t and replacing it with a podfilter. someone told me this would increase performance. my question is that wouldn't it just be sucking up hot engine air, and end up doing damge to my engine. also my car is competely stock and is auto.

thanks guys

[siddr20]

As long as you got a cold airbox and its all sealed and you got air going into it, then it should be fine!!

Btw if its stock as a rock then dont do it.. no point really..

Just replace the standard filter with a k&n one or something??

But get a pod filter if you wish..

[Darkness_Ryda1]

hey,

Pod filters are designed to increase horsepower and acceleration while providing excellent filtration. It delivers air to cool the engine. There is no risk in installing a pod filter and the gains are excellent. Generally the higher price is better.. brands such as K&N, Apexi, and HKS are some quality filters that you should be lokoing at. these generally range between $80-$150, ebay is a good source to get these.

if you want any more info then google it, there is lots of information on pod filters

[so_tred]

hey,

There is no risk in installing a pod filter and the gains are excellent. Generally the higher price is better.. brands such as K&N, Apexi, and HKS are some quality filters that you should be lokoing at. these generally range between $80-$150, ebay is a good source to get these.

Are you dreaming?

The higher the price certainly does not make it a better product.

If you're going to put on something like the HKS pod then you might as well save the $150 and have nothing in front of your AFM.

[Modena]

If you are going to install a pod filter, make sure to put a brace to secure it or as others said, a shield, you dont want to break your air flow meter...

[Munkyb0y]

apexi power intake (pod) FTW!!!

[siddr20]

^ agreed..

I love my apexi one.. Best induction noise ever..

[RBwhatever]

One thing I want to know.

I know there threads and threads about why having a sealed pod with cai is better than an exposed pod and I totally understand why it is etc etc, but is having an exposed pod really that bad?

One thing I see a lot of in a lot of car magazines is exposed pod filters in the engine bays. You do occasionally see the sealed pod but a majority of them are exposed. Now these are on cars from low to moderate to high horse power.

I myself have done my own testing as to the effects on fuel economy.

I have a factory air box and have consistently done 500kms per 55L on average.

I have then removed the air box lid to expose the panel filter to the engine bay heat and secured the filter down and have also left the snorkel on.

Now I have done a few tanks with the lid off and must say I did not see any loss of power, response, idling quality, normal driving quality or under load quality even on hot humid days(FNQ weather). But most of all I did not see any negative effects on fuel consumption as I still easily got 500kms to 55L if not even a bit better.

Now if these guys that are featured in car magazines (HPI, Autosalon etc) that have moderate to high horsepower cars, why do they run exposed pod filters if it really has that much of a degrading affect on power?

Surely they're not that stupid. Even the mechanics that do the work on these cars, if it was such a big issue having an exposed pod, surely would they not have informed him that their car is sucking in too much hot air and killing their power output?

So then my question stands, is there really that bigger difference in running a sealed with cai to an exposed air filter?

Please enlighten me.

Cheers

[siddr20]

^ One reason is cops!!

You will get defected if your pod filter is exposed.

I have never tested it out with or without a box.. so who knows maybe theres no difference, but atleast you wont get defected..

[RBwhatever]

^ One reason is cops!!

You will get defected if your pod filter is exposed.

I have never tested it out with or without a box.. so who knows maybe theres no difference, but atleast you wont get defected..

Hmmm yeah good point.

But up here in qld we don't get defected for that kind of stuff. It only has to be secured.

[Reggi34dr]

who told you that cuz?

any cop could nit pick you for almost anything depending on the day they are having.

I'm sure I told you that if you are going the POD route, to enclose it with CAI.

[RBwhatever]

Must be just the cops where I live then. They don't seem to worry about mods too much. None of the cops seem to bother me and are pretty easy going.

Besides the point though, I'm looking at the performance difference side of things.

Reg yeah you did tell me to go CAI if I get a pod

[R34GTFOUR]

One thing I want to know.

I know there threads and threads about why having a sealed pod with cai is better than an exposed pod and I totally understand why it is etc etc, but is having an exposed pod really that bad?

One thing I see a lot of in a lot of car magazines is exposed pod filters in the engine bays. You do occasionally see the sealed pod but a majority of them are exposed. Now these are on cars from low to moderate to high horse power.

I myself have done my own testing as to the effects on fuel economy.

I have a factory air box and have consistently done 500kms per 55L on average.

I have then removed the air box lid to expose the panel filter to the engine bay heat and secured the filter down and have also left the snorkel on.

Now I have done a few tanks with the lid off and must say I did not see any loss of power, response, idling quality, normal driving quality or under load quality even on hot humid days(FNQ weather). But most of all I did not see any negative effects on fuel consumption as I still easily got 500kms to 55L if not even a bit better.

Now if these guys that are featured in car magazines (HPI, Autosalon etc) that have moderate to high horsepower cars, why do they run exposed pod filters if it really has that much of a degrading affect on power?

Surely they're not that stupid. Even the mechanics that do the work on these cars, if it was such a big issue having an exposed pod, surely would they not have informed him that their car is sucking in too much hot air and killing their power output?

So then my question stands, is there really that bigger difference in running a sealed with cai to an exposed air filter?

Please enlighten me.

Cheers

physics explains everything lol. The whole idea between cold air in takes and sheilds is to deliver colder air to the engine right? Colder air has more densly compacted molecules (woooh physics wooh) which in turn creates a bigger bang when it comes to combustion and bigger bang means more power. This is why at night times you will noitce a difference in performance on any car (much more noticeable on a turbo car), air is colder and denser. You will find most stock airboxes have factory piping which allows the air to be drawn from the front of the car where it is cooler, they do this because colder air is better, only problem is most of the time the piping is small and restrictive.

Putting a pod filter with no shield or cold air set-up wont blow up or damage your motor. No engine that is expected to last will have the tuning so fine where a slight increase in air temp will make it dentonate. Factory cars have to be able to handle air temps from icy cold environments to stinking hot 40+ degree days, so the car will be able to handle the change in air temps with no problems. If your that keen to make that extra 1-2 hp then make up a cold air intake, but its not essential because when you think about it, at 60kmhr alot of air is being rushed into you engine bay so the pod will still be feed by air from outside, just not as effective as a cold air setup. A pod on stock car isnt going to make much of a difference to performance, but everyone likes the sounds of a nice induction, but like everyone said secure it so it doesnt become cop bait.

[RBwhatever]

Putting a pod filter with no shield or cold air set-up wont blow up or damage your motor. No engine that is expected to last will have the tuning so fine where a slight increase in air temp will make it dentonate. Factory cars have to be able to handle air temps from icy cold environments to stinking hot 40+ degree days, so the car will be able to handle the change in air temps with no problems. If your that keen to make that extra 1-2 hp then make up a cold air intake, but its not essential because when you think about it, at 60kmhr alot of air is being rushed into you engine bay so the pod will still be feed by air from outside, just not as effective as a cold air setup. A pod on stock car isnt going to make much of a difference to performance.

Cheers for the physics lesson stephen hahaha

Exactly the same line of thoughts I have. Is it really worth chasing those extra 1-2kw/hp by putting in a partition/CAI?

Seriously who's gonna tell the difference between 180rwkw and 182rwkw because they have a CAI.

As stephen said also, when the car is moving isn't the air in the engine bay also being renewed with cooler air all the time? Ok so some of the air is being passed through the radiator and heating it up, but its not like all the air that enters the engine bay HAS to go through the radiator. It also has other entry points.

As I have mentioned before, there are plenty of moderate to high hp cars getting around and they don't seem to bother with a CAI. There are many drift cars for example that don't run CAI or partitions. Yet you would think that the driving style and environment they drift in, it would be almost crucial that they get the coldest air, because the cars aren't necessarily moving very fast hence air flow into the engine bay isn't the quickest, and they're on boost for a majority of time and thats when it matters most.

How much more crucial is it for us to have one? and yet most of our cars are street driven cars with half the output.

Is having one just a peace of mind reassurance to know that your car is sucking in ambient temperature air? To know or suppose your making that extra couple of kw because it makes all the difference?

I totally agree with Stephen when he says "If your that keen to make that extra 1-2 hp then make up a cold air intake, but its not essential."

These are some reasonings challenging the "you must have a CAI if you want a pod, and if you don't, don't bother with the pod " statements.

And yes I do know the reasonings why a CAI "should/is" better.

But I suppose at the end of the day, all most of us want is for our car to be performing at its best and thats why we do it.

If I'm wrong in my thinking, please give me some persuading evidence to say it makes all the difference.

Cheers

[RBwhatever]

anyone?

[RBwhatever]

bumpity bump....... ?

[bugger]

Is there any difference in Apexi one and the K&N one?

power difference?

[evesdropping]

I guess it depends on the reason you installed a pod filter to begin with. If the reason for adding a pod filter was to add power, then I'd say it would be worth having cai. Sure, it may only add a few hp, but the 100 odd dollars spent on the pod filter would only produce a few extra hp anyway.

So I guess if you think it is worthwile installing a pod filter to increase hp, you may aswell do it right and have cai.

If the reason for installing a pod filter is to have a louder induction noise, then I guess cai may be seen as a waste of time.

In my opinion, if the reason behind performing a modification is purely to increase the noise that the engine emmits and not to increase power, it is a bit of a wank and is just drawing unnecessary attention to the vehicle without any gain. But some people just like that sort of thing I guess.

[Modena]

I guess it depends on the reason you installed a pod filter to begin with. If the reason for adding a pod filter was to add power, then I'd say it would be worth having cai. Sure, it may only add a few hp, but the 100 odd dollars spent on the pod filter would only produce a few extra hp anyway.

So I guess if you think it is worthwile installing a pod filter to increase hp, you may aswell do it right and have cai.

If the reason for installing a pod filter is to have a louder induction noise, then I guess cai may be seen as a waste of time.

In my opinion, if the reason behind performing a modification is purely to increase the noise that the engine emmits and not to increase power, it is a bit of a wank and is just drawing unnecessary attention to the vehicle without any gain. But some people just like that sort of thing I guess.

Is there a good DIY cai info around? I presumed just having the factory snorkel into a sealed box with a pod was sufficient?

[NISZILA]

Cold air intake will make a difference, as R34GTFOUR said you can notice the difference between driving at night or during the day. This shows that there is obviously a difference. Don't get confused about why you want cold air. Its not because it will keep your engine cool. As R34GTFOUR also mentioned, its the density of the air you are looking for. The more air in the engine, the more power you get out. That is the whole concept behind turbos. To force more air in and get more power out.

To say that a lot of air is rushing into your engine bay is not really that true. Yes, air is coming in, but if you're going 60km/h, its coming in alot slower than that due to the fact that there is no way for the air to easily get out. This means it has time to heat up before going into your engine. That is why vented bonnets are often used. They let the air coming in the front force the hot air out the vents in the bonnet.

One of the reasons why modded cars in mags don't have CAI is because they have high mount turbos with large pipes that take up a lot of room. In many cases there simply isn't any room for a CAI. On top of that, when you have that much power, your car will be crazy either way, so why struggle with it.

For a stock car, I wouldn't bother. Rather spend you money on a high flow panel filter such as K&N etc.

Hope this helps