Price Of New R35 Gtr ?

[msuen]

given the price of the new base model gtr ( $6.6m yen in japan ), how much will it sell for in australia when it arrives ? How will the price of r34 gtr's be affected ? will there be a large drop in the price of r34's or a small drop ? I'm wondering if I should purchase an r34 gtr now or wait until the release of the r35.

cheers michael

[XKLABA]

I might be wrong but i fought it was going to a R36 and they were going to skip the R35 as a GTR altogether, from what i've heard because it is suppose to be a full run not just limited like the 32 was just to race them that it will be about the same price as the 32 was when sold here ( $ 110,000 )

[krzysiu]

its not a R anything. Its just a 2007 Nissan GTR. Does not even say skyline.

[Rezz]

Some magazines like 'Xa Car' here in Japan are saying 'V36 GT-R' now, but who knows... V36 would imply it's a Skyline of some sort.

As for the price in Australia... I wouldn't be suprised if the pleasant people at Nissan Australia had the GT-R debut date set in 2011 or sometime after the 'V37' GT-R is announced. If by some miracle the GT-R does get sold in AU as a regular lineup model, I reckon at least $150,000... that should make even the most expensive HSV tank still seem like a bargain.

[gts4diehard]

I Don't think it will be $150K prob closer to $100K, look at how much of a price drop the 350Z was to the 300ZX, the ZX turbo was around $100k and the 350Z is about $65K.

Australia will more than likely have to wait, once the Yanks start buying them in LHD. I don't think there has been such a buildup to a car like the new GTR recentlyand demand will be high, pushing us down in the list for markets to get the car - if we get it.

So far in the GTR history - Australia got the R32 officially, UK the R33 GTR, NZ the R34 GTR plus Japan of course. SO it will be interesting to see how the new GTR gets released around the world.

[blinko]

ive heard its going to be called a Nissan GT-R.. i dont think skyline wil be assosiated with gtr anymore.

[SS8_Gohan]

I Don't think it will be $150K prob closer to $100K, look at how much of a price drop the 350Z was to the 300ZX, the ZX turbo was around $100k and the 350Z is about $65K.

Australia will more than likely have to wait, once the Yanks start buying them in LHD. I don't think there has been such a buildup to a car like the new GTR recentlyand demand will be high, pushing us down in the list for markets to get the car - if we get it.

So far in the GTR history - Australia got the R32 officially, UK the R33 GTR, NZ the R34 GTR plus Japan of course. SO it will be interesting to see how the new GTR gets released around the world.

not an R anything

not a Skyline..

right, get that out of the way.

Not a chance it will be $100k, if it is, Nissan will lose copious amounts of money and it should just take home the Bang For Buck award... FOREVER! (at that price)

I've always said, 911 Turbo beater, for half the price. So you're looking $150k-$175k. It will be too much of a bullet to price at $100k. Too much technology, R+D, etc, etc...

I think we'll be VERY lucky to see it around $150k

M3, RS4, some of the competition. Are priced around $160-$170k (referring to the up-coming M3) - both cars has 300kw+, with the GTR around.. what 350kw. So i think this will be the main competition (respecitve to price), and priced according.

[msuen]

i think the price will be about $100000 aus. A 350z cost about 63k , add an aps twin turbocharger kit for 15k and you get about 340 kw flywheel(280 rwkw) . total cost is about say 80k. Given the new gtr will have a new engine (3.6 or 3.8 or maybe even 4.0 like the new 400z ) and better brakes , suspension and better handling it should costs about 100k . bear in mind the aussie dollar is also very strong at the moment so all this makes me think the gtr will be about 100k .

any comments welcome.

[rb26stagea]

not an R anything

not a Skyline..

right, get that out of the way.

Not a chance it will be $100k, if it is, Nissan will lose copious amounts of money and it should just take home the Bang For Buck award... FOREVER! (at that price)

I've always said, 911 Turbo beater, for half the price. So you're looking $150k-$175k. It will be too much of a bullet to price at $100k. Too much technology, R+D, etc, etc...

I think we'll be VERY lucky to see it around $150k

M3, RS4, some of the competition. Are priced around $160-$170k (referring to the up-coming M3) - both cars has 300kw+, with the GTR around.. what 350kw. So i think this will be the main competition (respecitve to price), and priced according.

Agree 110%. Looka at the Benchmark: Porsche 911. A basic 911 will set you back what? $200k+?

There is no way that Nissan will sell its 911TT competitor for less than the price of a basic Cayman... It's not going to happen. At least $150k, But I would suspect closer to 180-200 for a GTR.

Look what Honda did with the last NSX: it was MORE than an entry level 911, and there will be a lot more demand for the GTR...

My 2 cents

[scathing]

A 350z cost about 63k , add an aps twin turbocharger kit for 15k and you get about 340 kw flywheel(280 rwkw) . total cost is about say 80k. Given the new gtr will have a new engine (3.6 or 3.8 or maybe even 4.0 like the new 400z ) and better brakes , suspension and better handling it should costs about 100k

Your numbers only cover a part of the cost, which is why I'd say that your price is unrealistic.

To do the numbers on what you've got above. A 350Z costs $62K for the Touring. An APS TT is $15K fitted, but it lacks the new clutch and oil cooler required to make the car work (OEM clutches rarely last more than 6 months after a car is TT'ed). A 3.8L stroker kit with forgies will cost you at least $5K for the parts if you go for an American brand (don't even ask how much a JUN kit will cost). You'll definitely need new wheels and tyres to put that power down. Say $4K for forged aluminium 19" rims with a trade-in on the stockies, and that's being generous. A new LSD will also be nice. Budget $2K at least. With double the OEM power, you'll also need a big brake kit (the Brembos do fade eventually, even with NA power). AP Racing or Stoptech kits cost around $8K. Bilstein PSS9 coilovers? About $4K.

You've just hit around $100K, and you haven't even touched the aero or drivetrain. And, like I said, that only covers part of the cost.

Firstly, the new GT-R is getting a bespoke platform and is only being produced in limited numbers. The Z33 and the V35 share the same platform, so the R&D costs can be spread across two different ranges (and the V35 has multiple sedan and coupe variants) that have a much larger production run. The R&D costs, as well as production costs, for a lot of things in the GT-R are going to have worse economies of scale.

Secondly, it'll also have an active AWD system. Comparing it to the Z33, with a much simpler RWD system, means you've got drivetrain costs (both in terms of physical components as well as R&D complexity).

The engine will have custom parts (Nismo has developed a VQ38HR engine for the Nismo 350Z, but its high compression and so unsuitable for the GT-R application), and with twin turbos it will have new plumbing in comparison to the Z33 / V35 / V36, which also means individual packaging constraints. The only turbo VQ in Nissan's range is the VQ30DET, which I believe is designed for a van or family car. There's practically nothing that could be carried over. And they can't steal aftermarket turbo kit layouts, since those don't cater for front driveshafts near the manifolds / turbines.

The aero and suspension will also be much finer tuned than the Z33 (the original '02 suspension in the Z33 was rubbish, to be quite blunt, although the aero is pretty good) to ensure it handles as well as it can for an OEM release, which means more development costs. Its not cheap to rent the Nurburgring. There's also meant to be a bucketload of CF in the upcoming GT-R, whereas the Z33 sticks to aluminium for weight reduction.

Its not like its going to share interior bits either. Seats, stereo, air con, switchgear, and the other "touch points" will probably all be bespoke (or a significant minority of it will be), and its going to have to be high quality stuff since Nissan says its meant to compete with a 911 on creature comforts as well as performance. Ford's PAG knows what happens to brand perception when you stick HVAC gear from a Mondeo into a Jaguar.

Lastly, Australia also has a bunch of "weird" ADR requirements that are completely unique to us. They government is looking at getting rid of most of the esoteric stuff to bring us in-line with US and Euro requirements, but until that happens any Australian delivered car may need to be done on a custom production run. And guess what that's going to do to costs....?

Edited July 20, 2007 by scathing

[SS8_Gohan]

^ niiiiice post.... certainly brings things back into perspective

well, i hope the soaring aussie dollar is going to help keep it around $150k, i think it's still competitive being priced around there.

[scathing]

well, i hope the soaring aussie dollar is going to help keep it around $150k, i think it's still competitive being priced around there.

911 Turbo performance for BMW M3 money? I think it'd sell well.

The GT-R badge has got quite a bit of cachet (thanks in part to Bathurst, motoring journos going nuts over the grey imported R34 GT-Rs that came in but weren't factory supported and so put off people that might have bought an Aus delivered one, and being the best road car in the Gran Turismo series), and considering the new V8 M3 is still in the 8:1x range for the Nordschleife (the 997 Turbo runs 7:42 or thereabouts, and the GT-R is meant to be in the same ballpark).

Our badge snobbery for "nice runabouts, but I'd never buy one of their supercars", almost 20 years on, has shifted from Japanese cars to Korean cars. As such, I think that a $150K Nissan might be sellable if its got the go to back up the price. $180K, which is my personal estimate, would be the upper bounds of where I think people would buy it for. Price it at $200K, or the price of a 911, and the damned thing had better fly (and I mean Moller Skycar kind of flying) if they don't want to repeat the R32 debacle.

Edited July 20, 2007 by scathing

[SS8_Gohan]

yeah, i've always maintained that it will be a 911 turbo competitor/beater for half the money. 911 Turbo's are $315-$330k i believe, so if you deliver a car that can out perform a 997 Turbo for $150-$170K, i would think you're onto a winner.

The new M3 is actually going to be quite pricey, near the $190K mark apparently. RS4 is around that price too, a bit less.

If the GTR can undercut it's direct PRICE competitors (M3, RS4, etc) it should be smiles all round as it will destroy those cars, and if it can AT LEAST be a 997 Turbo rival at that price bracket, all Nissan has to do is make sure it can provide the service that people spending that much money expect.

Can't wait for October, new M3 launch and the TMS, woohoo!

[scathing]

Good luck.

I've stopped going to Nissan for servicing ages ago. The f**kers were completely useless when it comes to dealing with sports cars being driven by enthusiasts. If you're driving a Pulsar or Maxima and you just want something that will get you to the shops or interstate, and you have zero interest in how the thing runs, then they're great.

I saw all the service awards and plaques on the wall and I thought, "If this place is an outstanding dealership then I'd hate to go to an average one...."

Its the kind of service you tolerate as a customer of Maccas when you spend $7 on a value meal, not when you just dropped 65 large on their "flagship".

That said, the old man's got an entry-model BMW and I've dropped the car off at one of their dealerships too. Servicing isn't cheap but they know how to treat a client. They also know how to rip them off, but they know that happy customers are repeat customers.

I know quite a few 350Z owners who've made it their first and last Nissan, because of the service.

I think the US guys had the right idea of selling the GT-R under the Infiniti marque. That way they get premium service, and the guys behind the counter don't need to change their manner between Pulsar owners and GT-R owners.

I realise Ghosn wanted to sell it under the Nissan badge so perhaps they should have a boutique dealership for just the GT-R and 350Z inside Nissan. Kind of like how HSV has their operations - no standalone stores, just substores within the Holden dealerships.

[SS8_Gohan]

that's what i mean. I'm sure Nissan will have the car ready, if they can get the price right they just have to figure out how to give the level of service ppl spend that much dosh expect.

The only way i see it happening (without launching the Infiniti brand again) is to just pick a handful or dealers who are the ONLY ones to sell/service/support GTR's. And ideally, have specialist people at each dealership to look after the GTR customers. Probably quite pricey though, but yes, the service you get when buying a BMW, etc, is what people will be expecting.

I don't think it matters what "car manufacturer" dealership service you get, it's always going to be a rip-off. That's where they make their big profits, parts and servicing. Local Aussie or Euro brand, delearship servicing is just plain expensive.

And my bad, the new M3 is about $160-165K. A touch more expensive than the last one.

BUT... 0 - 100, 4.8 seconds. It's not even quicker than the M5/M6. And considering neither of those cars can mix it with the 997 Turbo, it seems the new M3 won't be a performance competitor for the new GTR, just a price competitor. No doubts the new M3 will be a monster of a car, but just not a supercar (which i'm sure it wasn't intended to be one anyway)

[rb26stagea]

I worked at one of the best Holden dealerships in the country, and I can confirm that: any month that sees a profit in New Car Sales was seen as a bonus, yet the profits pulled by the service department were.....substantial to say the least. The new car yard was really there to support the service dept...

[Absent]

Another thing to consider is do we won't the new GTR to be Australian delivered? then it will be more expensive and have higher k's second hand, I think I would rather buy an imported one in 10 years if compliance will be possible

[thrtytwo]

havnet read the whole thread as this annoys me soo much i just jumped ahaed to post lol

it isnt an R35, considering it isnt a skyline, its a standalone car, and then in addition the skyline is up to the V36 in japan atm. so this wont be an R/V anything just a nissan GTR, dunno what the chassis code (R32,Z32 etc etc) will be

Some magazines like 'Xa Car' here in Japan are saying 'V36 GT-R' now, but who knows... V36 would imply it's a Skyline of some sort.

As for the price in Australia... I wouldn't be suprised if the pleasant people at Nissan Australia had the GT-R debut date set in 2011 or sometime after the 'V37' GT-R is announced. If by some miracle the GT-R does get sold in AU as a regular lineup model, I reckon at least $150,000... that should make even the most expensive HSV tank still seem like a bargain.

lol @ HSV considering the GTR is going to be more on par with a porsche than a commodore

[msuen]

THE MILLON DOLLAR QUESTION , buy now or wait till new gtr is reveiled and pricing announced ?

just don't want to lose 10k soon as the new model is released ( especially if the new model is priced low ) .

cheers

mike

[Rezz]

lol @ HSV considering the GTR is going to be more on par with a porsche than a commodore

Read the post again champ...

That was a stab at the 'bogan element' in Australia, ie: it doesn't matter how good the GT-R is, there'll still be some bogan standing there saying how shit it is compared to a Commodore HSV which is thousands of dollars cheaper.