$60k~$80k Gt Car?

[scathing]

Looks like they are about to do it againt too.

Funny you should say that, since the target for the next GT-R is the 997 Turbo. And in testing the car apparently looks slower than the Porsche they bought for comparison.

The 997T runs 7:42 around the Nurburgring, which the Z06 manages....so really the upcoming GT-R is only as good as a Yank Tank that's available now. It won't even be close to the production car record it (dubiously) used to own.

Where did you hear that Nissan was "rubbing Porsche's noses in it"?

[Whiplash]

someone already said the three magic letters

TVR

http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/priva...e|1&trecs=3

I know someone here in SA that has the 6cylinder version and that thing is f*^$ing insane i would love to take this thing for a drive

[GT-R LM]

Funny you should say that, since the target for the next GT-R is the 997 Turbo. And in testing the car apparently looks slower than the Porsche they bought for comparison.

The 997T runs 7:42 around the Nurburgring, which the Z06 manages....so really the upcoming GT-R is only as good as a Yank Tank that's available now. It won't even be close to the production car record it (dubiously) used to own.

Where did you hear that Nissan was "rubbing Porsche's noses in it"?

They recently were testing it in USA and the GTR was considerably faster than that same test 911, Dont forget that they a testing the car and changing things so i believe it will be a fair wack faster than a Z06 or the new porsche 911 turbo when its released.

If you get a TVR make sure you become very good mates with a mechanic and upholster.

I would personally go for a R34 GTR NUR M-spec:)

[Betz]

personally if I had $60-$80k to spend I'd go for either a TVR Griffith or a Maserati Shamal,

I'll get him to drive a r34 GTR atleast, but I think he will stick to porsche, the issue for him is the difference between a mint R34 GTR and a 993 is $20k+. If he goes the GTR he will only keep it for 3-4 years until he retires, then he will nab a 993 turbo for sure.

cheers

[philta]

put it this way what kind of women he goes for.

porche =sophitcated mature woman (girl u easily can put up with everyday)

r34gtr = easy, "cheaper" maintanance young girl

tvr, maserati = shallow hot bithces

new gtr = got it all.

personally i like to put it this way, u break anything in a r34gtr just make a call and book her in (HEAPS of aftermarket parts for rb26)

with the euro cars its the opposite.

but then again its all depends on personal pref. with that budget any car would be awsome!

Edited April 11, 2007 by philta

[FineLine]

Funny you should say that, since the target for the next GT-R is the 997 Turbo. And in testing the car apparently looks slower than the Porsche they bought for comparison.

The 997T runs 7:42 around the Nurburgring, which the Z06 manages....so really the upcoming GT-R is only as good as a Yank Tank that's available now. It won't even be close to the production car record it (dubiously) used to own.

Where did you hear that Nissan was "rubbing Porsche's noses in it"?

What planet do you live on. the gtr is as dynamic as any grande tourer out there. It has the chassis and the dynamics to do about anything a glorified volkeswagon can do with an after market (and factory) mod list to make porsche drivers dream. Porsche werent even interested in all wheel drive until the gtr took them to the cleaners at Nur, You are right, they didnt rub their noses in it, They shit all over them and forced them back to the drawing board.

As for the new gtr being slower than porsche. Just remember you said that.

[sandyb]

Ask the porshe owners that have attended track days when a skyline has been there and watch their response. For the money spent u would really have to like porches allot more as the GTR is comparible.

? Dubious nurburgring record for the GTR, tell more...

Sandy

[Roy]

T350C

Really, has character. Is quick. Turns head in a cool way, ie not a tosser in a Ferrari way. Is unique and the build quality of the later model TVRs means they are ok day to day, but still no M3

[eMsta]

60-80k - stick the r34 gtr.....if he can afford a bit more..then the 911 gt2 or gt3

[dangerous_daveo]

What planet do you live on. the gtr is as dynamic as any grande tourer out there. It has the chassis and the dynamics to do about anything a glorified volkeswagon can do with an after market (and factory) mod list to make porsche drivers dream. Porsche werent even interested in all wheel drive until the gtr took them to the cleaners at Nur, You are right, they didnt rub their noses in it, They shit all over them and forced them back to the drawing board.

As for the new gtr being slower than porsche. Just remember you said that.

What?! Just out of interest where did you get those facts from? Because Im fairly sure that gtrs used to be rwd too... and porsche brought out awd (959s) for group b rally... which ended before the 'all mighty' gtrs even came out... Porsche also have a damn impressive streak with lemans 24hour races... (not as good as audi, but they porsche havent compeated every year). But feel free to show me where your facts came from.

And Id just like to point out that if you go do some fact finding on who did the laps in the new porcshe, what laps were done in older models, who is doing the laps in the 'new gtr'. And also as the new gtr is only a test model atm, I dont know why you are all thinking its going to just get faster. They will detune it, soften it up, so it doesnt break, and so it sells.

End of the day its still 'just a nissan'. Thats the point. Just like a VW phantom 'v' bently flying spur. Its the same car, but one is 'just a VW'.

[FineLine]

And a porsche is just a porsche. A mass produced car like Nissan, holden toyota etc. Dont let the euro price tag fool you.

As for build quality, I'll take the nissan, No porsche will stand up to 740 thousand kilometers of abuse that i handed out to my one before, And probably not the 413 thou that its predecessor dished up. both of these vehicles (3 litre and 2.8 litre) did it without major surgery. just regular servicing and brake and exhaust updates as required.

As for facts. It would appear that you have some nissan inside running, How else would you know that they used a dodgy driver in the porsche or that it will be detuned for production.

Now that the "gentlemans agreement" is out the window its gloves off and no holes barred. I dont think Nissan will be the only maker in japan building cars that border on the super car title.

Your comparison between the vw and the bentley doesnt wash. One is not a mass produced car and it isnt thevw. To use this yardstick we should perhaps be comparing the gtr to something far more super carish than a porsche.

You sell the japs short. They build some good shit and the gtr is right up there imo. It can fight way above its weight and with selective mods can tackle some of the true heavyweights.

[Whiplash]

T350C

Really, has character. Is quick. Turns head in a cool way, ie not a tosser in a Ferrari way. Is unique and the build quality of the later model TVRs means they are ok day to day, but still no M3

unfortunately the only TVR's that can be complied are the Cerberra, Tuscan and Chimera

[Whiplash]

TVR speed 12...

Oh wait... How much did he wanna spend?

if you do want one, one of the guys i work for is selling both of his!!!!

one street one and a racing one

both are 120,000 pounds a bargain really for 900hp 7.7L V12.

just wish i was in the UK so i could see them in the flesh

[dangerous_daveo]

And a porsche is just a porsche. A mass produced car like Nissan, holden toyota etc. Dont let the euro price tag fool you.

As for build quality, I'll take the nissan, No porsche will stand up to 740 thousand kilometers of abuse that i handed out to my one before, And probably not the 413 thou that its predecessor dished up. both of these vehicles (3 litre and 2.8 litre) did it without major surgery. just regular servicing and brake and exhaust updates as required.

As for facts. It would appear that you have some nissan inside running, How else would you know that they used a dodgy driver in the porsche or that it will be detuned for production.

Now that the "gentlemans agreement" is out the window its gloves off and no holes barred. I dont think Nissan will be the only maker in japan building cars that border on the super car title.

Your comparison between the vw and the bentley doesnt wash. One is not a mass produced car and it isnt thevw. To use this yardstick we should perhaps be comparing the gtr to something far more super carish than a porsche.

You sell the japs short. They build some good shit and the gtr is right up there imo. It can fight way above its weight and with selective mods can tackle some of the true heavyweights.

Im not letting the price tag fool me. They are mass produced cars, just a premium brand. Say like a higher end audi, or well even bentlys are really mass produced now. Say you wouldnt spend $6 for a VB, but you would for say a kilkenny still over priced, still made pretty much the same way, and its still a beer. But it does taste a whole lot better.

Either way Im preaching to someone who doesnt give a toss. And doesnt understand the point Im getting at.

BTW some of those faster porsche laps were done by porsche factory drivers. Im doubting they could get much more out of the car. Also look at how fast the 996 turbo laps to the 997 turbo laps. Then look at the 996 GT3/2 GT3 RS etc laps are, then think how much quicker the 997 versions of those cars are going to be. Then go look at the 959 laps.

End of the day, the point of this thread is that old man of whoever started the topic has a few options. And Im pretty sure he will hear nissan, and back away from that option. Just like if you say mitsubishi etc.

[skylinecouple]

I wonder if your dad will appreciate having a gun stuck to his head in the driveway of his home and car stolen if he buys a GTR.Or that he can`t leave it anywhere anytime.AND YES,THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH A PORCHE BUT HOW OFTEN.Westie car theives steal cars they aspire to or cars they own but have crashed with no insurance.There really isn`t enough information on your dad to make a decision for him.Mechanical ability? Track days? Amount to spend? I`m a lot older than most of you and I won`t buy a GTR because of the drawbacks to ownership.I`d take a BMW M3 any day.Power obviously doesn`t impress him so first choice.I f no mechanical ability then getting a GTR to out run a M3 may take mods he isn`t willing to do.

[scathing]

What planet do you live on. the gtr is as dynamic as any grande tourer out there. It has the chassis and the dynamics to do about anything a glorified volkeswagon can do with an after market (and factory) mod list to make porsche drivers dream. Porsche werent even interested in all wheel drive until the gtr took them to the cleaners at Nur, You are right, they didnt rub their noses in it, They shit all over them and forced them back to the drawing board.

As for the new gtr being slower than porsche. Just remember you said that.

I'm living on planet Earth, a place you're evidently not familiar with. Your ignorance is so astounding I'd hazard to guess that you'd wear loafers because tying your own shoes is beyond your abilities.

Firstly. "Glorified Volkswagen" is a bit of kettle calling the pot black, given that the Skyline donor car isn't even good enough to be used as a taxi. And I thought we were talking about stock. If you start going aftermarket, the RUF and Gemballa turnkey Porsches are serious machines. Porsche is the aspirational sports car in Germany, and so they've got a wealth of aftermarket parts for the cars.

Of course, you'd need to pull your head out of your arse and look at the tuning scene outside of Australia to notice that just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

As for Porsche not being interested in AWD until the GT-R took them to the cleaners at the Nurburgring, you do realise the R32 GT-R's "groundbreaking" AWD drivetrain is actually Nissan's copy (after all, copying the Europeans is what the Japanese do best) of the Porsche 959 driveline right? You're not aware? Yeah, I didn't think so.

That and the R33 GT-R that cracked was the "first" to crack the 8 minute barrier was running semi slicks, non-production suspension, and had the boost wound up (at the very least), so while it probably earned its time honestly as a "street car" it certainly doesn't deserve the "production car" record. The sub 8 minute time the 911 Turbo ran was in the same trim you'd get off the showroom floor. I'm not sure what trim the R34 that ran 7:52 was in but that time was still set after the 911 cracked it.

Didn't know that either? Luckily for you the cure for ignorance isn't that difficult, and the only side effects is that you'll look like less of a cock.

In testing on the Nurburgring right now for the next GT-R, the 997 Turbo Nissan's bought to compare is apparently lapping faster. Someone said that in American testing that vehicle is proving faster, but I haven't seen any sources for that. I won't forget I said that the GT-R being tested is slower than the 997, since media and industry sources back that up.

When the car goes production I hope its quicker, but by all accounts Nissan is aiming to have it only line-ball. Considering the rumoured stats of the GT-R shows that it'll have less power and more weight than the 997 Turbo, getting line ball would be a testament to the chassis setup.

That you haven't read the news out there, or even what I actually said, speaks more about your idiocy than it does about what planet I'm living on.

I just noticed that you joined 2 months ago and you've already hit almost 1500 posts. Maybe you should stop flapping your yap so much and start doing some research in a subject you've got an interest in. You can start off by looking up the proverb that starts with "Empty vessels", which while not Skyline related may hopefully help you....

Edited April 11, 2007 by scathing

[scathing]

You sell the japs short. They build some good shit and the gtr is right up there imo. It can fight way above its weight and with selective mods can tackle some of the true heavyweights.

There you go with your stupidity again.

If people didn't like Skylines, its a pretty safe bet they wouldn't be on a forum called Skylines Australia. And anyone who lives in the real world knows that Japan makes some very reliable cars, at an excellent price point. And their sports cars are well regarded internationally as well. That you think we're knocking all Japanese cars because we're disappointed with the info released on the next GT-R so far once again shows your complete inability to actually understand what other people are saying.

I've got plenty of respect for the GT-R; its still one of my dream cars and I know how quick they are. However, I'm not a close minded bigot that thinks that its the be-all and end-all of motor vehicles. The past GT-Rs sucked as a grand tourer (it certainly wasn't comfortable, quiet, or fuel efficient enough to devour long distances in the manner of a true "grand tourer", although it earned its "Racing" monicker honestly). The new one is apparently getting a lot of fruit to compete in the "luxury" stakes against the 911, and that's just going to add weight. The "spartan" R34 weighed as much as the 996 Turbo did; its no wonder people are estimating that the new GT-R is going to weigh 200kg more than the 997T.

And I thought we were talking about production cars? Here you go crapping on about modifications again. Even an aftermarket ECU tune on a 996 Turbo will pull 30awkW+ with no other mods. The 997 might be harder to tune since it also has to control the VGT, but chances are you'll see the same gains since Porsches are tuned to run rich to preserve the engine when sitting at high load and high RPMs for long durations (due to the autobahns in their native habitat). Leaning the mixture out for Australian road conditions sees big gains in FI Euro cars. Let them run exhausts from Porsche tuning houses, and Eibach / Bilstein suspension (the latter being beloved by SAU's own Sydneykid) to make it mod-for-mod equal and see if the GT-R can romp away.

At any rate, the next GT-R has got sweet f**k all chance of reclaiming the production car record. Which is a shame given that its this achievement that every Skyline otaku goes on about, but fair enough considering the car that holds said record is only technically a production car.

[JAGR33]

Comparing a porsche turbo to a GTR, ummm even if the GTR was 5 seconds slower around the Nurburgring, I think many have overlooked the most important difference. Now is the porsche 2 or 3 times more expensive than the GTR???

I guess the old Datsun doesn't do too bad at all....

P.S This is not a dick swinging contest, just thought an important factor was missing from the discussion....

[Roy]

unfortunately the only TVR's that can be complied are the Cerberra, Tuscan and Chimera

But my sister and a few friends are over there working. just need to to wire them the money. Get them to go shopping and when the time has elapsed get them to bring it home for a great XMAS. Want a T350C, more likley a V8 Cerbera, but funds may mean i get a Sierra Cosworth

[izataskyrine?]

Your 25 and already own those 2 cars? :sorcerer: Nice... what work do u do?

I'd say he doesnt do any work.. or atleast not anywork for anyone. either born into wealthy family or investor/entrepeneur

Funny you should say that, since the target for the next GT-R is the 997 Turbo. And in testing the car apparently looks slower than the Porsche they bought for comparison.

The 997T runs 7:42 around the Nurburgring, which the Z06 manages....so really the upcoming GT-R is only as good as a Yank Tank that's available now. It won't even be close to the production car record it (dubiously) used to own.

Where did you hear that Nissan was "rubbing Porsche's noses in it"?

Dont forget the GT-R is still testing.. and i dont think they will release any final figures for the times they are getting until the car is released.. if at all.

Interesting article i read about the next GT-R that i think u all should read.

V36 Skyline GT-R Evolution

What?! Just out of interest where did you get those facts from? Because Im fairly sure that gtrs used to be rwd too... and porsche brought out awd (959s) for group b rally... which ended before the 'all mighty' gtrs even came out... Porsche also have a damn impressive streak with lemans 24hour races... (not as good as audi, but they porsche havent compeated every year). But feel free to show me where your facts came from.

And Id just like to point out that if you go do some fact finding on who did the laps in the new porcshe, what laps were done in older models, who is doing the laps in the 'new gtr'. And also as the new gtr is only a test model atm, I dont know why you are all thinking its going to just get faster. They will detune it, soften it up, so it doesnt break, and so it sells.

End of the day its still 'just a nissan'. Thats the point. Just like a VW phantom 'v' bently flying spur. Its the same car, but one is 'just a VW'.

Was the 959 really a groub b rally car?!?! i thought it was more designed to compete against the ferrari f40? or atleast provide ferrari f40 performance with luxury to boot. Dont flame me if im wrong please.. thats just what i have been told and always believed