Request For Help: No Vct On R33 Rb25

[Guilt-Toy]

hahahaa

There are only around 5 people on the waiting list at the moment so its only a 4 week wait at this stage.. So yeah if us aussies keep ordering them then Apexi keep making them!!! so im sure they will be available for some time yet.

Feel sorry for the guys who spent $1800+ on a unit during the "dry" period.

oh and its Turbotechnics full australian warranty.. but ive never known of a power fc fail that has not been user error yet.

Guilt-Toy your a legend !. Gave turbonetics a call, and they can get them new, like you said, they are using chips they can source and doing them by order in japan only. then sending them upon request. and if you get them thru turbonetics, u can get an australian warranty with them.

(oh yea, Quoted price was $1550. and a 4 week wait.

good work no rumor at all. problem solved for me.

- CHeers

dale.

[paulr33]

i guess it makes some sense

maybe nengun canned it cos apexi told them to

but if they ordered 1 or 2, apexi would still make it

[made_guy]

hey silverbulletR33 - is that $1550 with the hand controller too? can we get a cheaper group-buy?

also thanks guilt-toy for the heads up, its a good 'screw you' to the people out there saying 'i can charge what i like now they're not available from the manufacturer'

spread the word - all is right in the world once again!

[Guilt-Toy]

$1550 comes with the hand controller brand new never used with Apexi Australia Warranty.

If you get 10 people together and everyone has the cash together ready to go then tell him i said you can all have $20 off each power fc

He should go for it.. he just does not want people piss farting around.. you want it you pay it gets ordered thats it. You all know what a power fc is so dont bother them unless your ready to buy otherwise he might not want to bother with it anymore and tell everyone to go jump (lots of time wasters and its hard when trying to run a business)

hey silverbulletR33 - is that $1550 with the hand controller too? can we get a cheaper group-buy?

also thanks guilt-toy for the heads up, its a good 'screw you' to the people out there saying 'i can charge what i like now they're not available from the manufacturer'

spread the word - all is right in the world once again!

[paulr33]

ok given this i see no need for me to do what i was doing ?

[Guilt-Toy]

Well the question is how much can you make the cable for ? if you can get rb26 power fc's for $900 from japan and sell the cable for $100 then $1000 vs $1550 is a big price difference as long as everything functions the same then why wouldnt you buy the 26 version ??

I guess a extra $500 for peace of mind is good BUT who knows how much longer the demand for R33 GTST power fc's will go for.. this cable your looking at making may be a good product for years to come because face it.. r33 gtst's are only going to get older and we will eventually upgrade our cars and there may be a abundance of second hand ones floating around at that time anyway...

So it does not hurt to develop the cable if its not going to cost you alot of time and money.

ok given this i see no need for me to do what i was doing ?

[Pauly33GTS-t]

So, you are telling me, that now we can think about PFC's again and less about Emanage Ultimate's? If I get a go ahead to buy a new PFC I'll get one, but the Ultimate is looking more and more on the up all the time because of Apexi's demise.

[Guilt-Toy]

Power FC all the way man.... They are an awesome computer.. They can even pass emissions!!! (with the right tuner of course

I dont know why anyone would get anything other then a Power FC. There is no reason for anything different.

Only a high end ECU like a Motec or a Autronic can come close the the stanard computer driveability of a Power FC and even then its not as good.

Power FC all the way. They are second to none and the more people that buy them the better because Apexi will keep on making them and even possibly find a replacement for the NEC chip that is hard to find.

[MBS206]

Power FC all the way man.... They are an awesome computer.. They can even pass emissions!!! (with the right tuner of course

I dont know why anyone would get anything other then a Power FC. There is no reason for anything different.

Only a high end ECU like a Motec or a Autronic can come close the the stanard computer driveability of a Power FC and even then its not as good.

Power FC all the way. They are second to none and the more people that buy them the better because Apexi will keep on making them and even possibly find a replacement for the NEC chip that is hard to find.

1: You need to pay more to get rid of the AFM (Which is a restriction)

Considering prices I've seen for AFM to upgrade, it's around 1/3 of the price to run a larger map sensor which ISN'T a restriction

2: There are ALOT of features that are not in the PFC that I like.

Dual maps

Anti lag

The english language

3: Driveability all comes down to your tuner, any computer will become tunable, when the right tuner is on that computer

4: Emmisions are easy to pass, any ECU can make a car pass emmisions, again, it's all in the tune.

The only thing PFC have over other ECUs is Tetris.

[gts-4 dreamer]

it used to be price.

[Guilt-Toy]

1: You need to pay more to get rid of the AFM (Which is a restriction)

Considering prices I've seen for AFM to upgrade, it's around 1/3 of the price to run a larger map sensor which ISN'T a restriction

2: There are ALOT of features that are not in the PFC that I like.

Dual maps

Anti lag

The english language

3: Driveability all comes down to your tuner, any computer will become tunable, when the right tuner is on that computer

4: Emmisions are easy to pass, any ECU can make a car pass emmisions, again, it's all in the tune.

The only thing PFC have over other ECUs is Tetris.

For starters the AFM is not a restriction. I am not even going to go into a map sensor vs AFM war.. just ask the japs.. they seem to be doing just fine.

Dual maps ?? Why would you need dual maps ? you tune the car to run cruise how you want it then you tune the car on boost to how you want it. If you run the car on the street with pump and use other fuels for the track then your obviously a more advanced user and you should know how to change the maps OR use the laptop software to load another map into it which only takes a minute or so.

Anti Lag??? Buy a V8 if you cant drive a turbo

The power FC is in jap / english but anyone who sits down and spends more then an hour using the software can pretty much work out what everything is without too much hassle.

Obviously the Power FC is not the "ECU for dummies" but it is a very good option for someone that wants a cheap solution for a street car or for someone that knows how to use one properly.

There are lots of things that the power FC does not do like temp / boost correction for one... external outputs... etc etc but they are still much more popular on R33 Skylines then anything else.

The Power FC is still the best ECU for these cars unless you are very serious about what your doing and you need to run another ECU with more options... From a PFC i would suggest a Autronic or a Motec.

[paulr33]

im with guilt toy on this, the points you highlight are weak and not strong

when you compare plug and pray, driveability and no# of tuners its fine

plus users can do most of the common stuff and english is ok thanks to the PFC FAQ ive done

if you want antilag get the gizzmo launch interface

my 26fc & loom mod was going to be around $1300 ish so i so need to continue

[Guilt-Toy]

I have toyed with a few different ECU's and I do like the Power FC the most. The software is great. My favorite feature is that that when doing a ramp run you can have the map tracer flash the load point green when knock goes over the pre-set value.

Each to their own - if you dont run a Power FC then i would not suggest a Stinger or a Microtech id go the whole way and get something like a Motec or Autronic or even try out one of those Adaptronics, they are doing really well for $1000 (around $2500 fitted and tuned)

Your still going to save money with a Power FC at $1550 and even cheaper for the 26 version modded and you will get the extra temp sensor options.

Paulr33 Good idea to keep going with the project.. the more options we have the better. Who knows whats going to happen 12 months down the track. I was thinking you can get a jaycar controller and wire it into the loom your creating and include it into the cost ?

[paulr33]

i tend to agree but jamming the jaycar box onto the loom is manual labour

the way i had it proposed was all off the shelf parts the customer just orders

so i dont do anyhthing per say. whereas a jaycar box would mean me to get the loom, mod it more and then add it etc

[tuitahi]

Given Apexi are making them for larger orders, it would be wonderful for another of the 'performance-wise' style group buys.

I wonder how much more Apexi are charging for these pfc's? Turbotechnics price on an RB26 power fc might give a good indication, as the workshop or proper storefront prices were always about 30-50% more than the group buys/traders on SAU.

[Guilt-Toy]

Its going to be the best way of doing it if you ask me. Will also need to be able to configure the rpm point that it turns on.

*edit* make it a DIY kit.... provide info on what to get from jaycar and then sell the cable and info etc etc.

i tend to agree but jamming the jaycar box onto the loom is manual labour

the way i had it proposed was all off the shelf parts the customer just orders

so i dont do anyhthing per say. whereas a jaycar box would mean me to get the loom, mod it more and then add it etc

Edited May 10, 2007 by Guilt-Toy

[MBS206]

I have toyed with a few different ECU's and I do like the Power FC the most. The software is great. My favorite feature is that that when doing a ramp run you can have the map tracer flash the load point green when knock goes over the pre-set value.

Each to their own - if you dont run a Power FC then i would not suggest a Stinger or a Microtech id go the whole way and get something like a Motec or Autronic or even try out one of those Adaptronics, they are doing really well for $1000 (around $2500 fitted and tuned)

Your still going to save money with a Power FC at $1550 and even cheaper for the 26 version modded and you will get the extra temp sensor options.

Paulr33 Good idea to keep going with the project.. the more options we have the better. Who knows whats going to happen 12 months down the track. I was thinking you can get a jaycar controller and wire it into the loom your creating and include it into the cost ?

Edited: Removed some stuff.

And as for what I'll be running, I WILL be running the Adaptronic, quite a strong unit, and I much prefer the customer service, and the way I know most of its background. Beautiful little computer.

And when using the hand controller on the PFC, setting up idle, now that's a bitch.

It's all jap writing, and then on the last two lines has A/C in english. How're you meant to know what each line does.

Running a map trace to find bad load points via the hand controller (And this is the way MANY people tune PFC) and then going back twenty billion menus, and forward another one thousand. That gets frustrating.

And the AFM has benefits over the MAP, but the MAP also has many benefits over the AFM, and personally, I'd rather throw a MAP sensor on at like 1/2 the price of a AFM.

As for dual maps, it can be very handy.

Have your proper tune on one map, and have a very lazy tune on another map. Go away somewhere on holidays, I don't take my laptop, but if I get stuck with a bad batch of fuel, flick a switch, and there's alot more protection on the motor then.

Also, why would wanting anti lag constitute that I can't drive a turbo? Have you ever actually tried driving with anti lag on? Now that makes for alot more of a handful off the mark.

And the other fact is, if you READ my other post again, you'll see I wasn't saying the PFC was a heap of crap, but most of your points, (Emmisions, driveability etc) are ALL able to be had in other ECUs, it's how well you tune them. So for an advanced user, they would all meet those requirements for you, and for a basic user, all that you need to do is find a decent tuner.

So go read again, and you'll see that I wasn't attacking the PFC, nor did I actually put it down, I just stood up for your inaccurate attack on other ECUs.

Edited May 13, 2007 by MBS206

[Guilt-Toy]

Funny that your Mr nice guy after editing your posts but thats okay.

I dont recall not can i see anywhere where i have acused you of saying the Power FC is a bag of shit ?

I really dont have much energy to argue much more about this but its very easy to trim 5deg of timing from the PFC map which resets when you switch the ecu off.

A question i do have for you is how do you know you have got a bad batch of fuel when you dont have the knock sensors hooked up to the ECU ? and even if you do how are you going to know when you dont have your laptop plugged in?

Go for the Adaptronic for all means i keep hearing great things about it and i am interested in seeing this ecu in action (someone i know is getting one installed atm)

All I was saying that there is no real reason to go for anything else for the typical Skyliner for $1550 to $1200 (for Pauls gtr system) the Power FC is the far better choice because of the price and because it can be installed in 2 minutes.

"The only thing PFC have over other ECUs is Tetris." <--- Ummm No.

I would be pretty confident in saying that more people in Australia run Power FC's on their R33 GTST's then they use any other computer.

[made_guy]

while on the topic of laptops and ecu's - is it possible/easy to tune a pfc with a laptop??

[Guilt-Toy]

I find the apexi power fc software easy to use... it was confusing the first time i used it and only took a few hours to get used to it.

People say the datalogit stuff is even better again. i wouldnt know i have not seen it yet