New Law's For P Plates (summed Up)

[Basti]

*sigh*

well i guess any hope of joining the skyline community is gone. haha

im sure ill see you guys in a few years once im off my p's and driving my dream car.

you dont need a skyline to be involved 'round here. im sure you are more than welcome to bring what ever car you have to the meets and events happening around where u are. meantime, hang around, you'll learn a hell of a lot bout the car you want simply by osmosis on these forums

well this is gonna hit some of us real hard

yeah it is dude. i think of it this way, if im not allowed on public roads with my car, then its the perfect opportunity to mod it properly. that way it doesn't matter if its held up in a workshop somewhere. and also its an incentive to get more involved with sauvic motorsport/events etc (at least i'll be enjoying my car)

The modifying restriction is ONLY stated on the NEW PPlate restrictions.

The page in regards to Current PPlaters, only states to abide to the Power:Weight ratio.

I dont think they will be asking current Pplaters to start pulling mods off their cars..

why not pat? i mean they can defect us for anythiing right now, how is this any different?

EDIT: i realise that they can't do shit if the mods are legal, so ignore the above point i made

Agreed.

+1. No need to rub it in

[Al]

i just messaged the guy about the car. he said its only the muffler that is modified not the exhaust, does anyone know if this helps me or does this also increase power?

The rear muffler is the biggest restiction in the exhaust system (not that the rest is any good), so by removing that and replacing it with a free flowing muffler you are going to increase the power, thus it becomes illegal. The seller is going to say what-ever you want to hear, so that you'll buy his car, but ALL power related mods are illegal.

To current P-platers (not sure if this is true)

- If your car is impounded and the cops beleive it is making more power than factory, they have a right to dyno it and issue the penalty if found over the legal power-to-weight ratio.

[sloe-32]

wtf? it says that P-Platers arent allowed to drive s15s? thats bs. the ADM model is rated at 147kw, says 165kw on that list. wat a crock of sh!t. i just bought myself an s15 thinking id be alright for the next 2 years while im on my Ps. thats a load of horsecrock of a source to get power figures from.

[CrispyFries]

wtf? it says that P-Platers arent allowed to drive s15s? thats bs. the ADM model is rated at 147kw, says 165kw on that list. wat a crock of sh!t. i just bought myself an s15 thinking id be alright for the next 2 years while im on my Ps. thats a load of horsecrock of a source to get power figures from.

That's a list of imported cars, the JDM S15 has those figures, there's another list of banned Aus vehicles which includes the R32 GTR

I initially thought these laws where going to be stupid (but didn't care as I'm not on Ps) , but as they've allowed turbo diesels and smart cars it looks like they've actually put some thought into it.

[SKYL1N]

i am confused, that says you cant drive a R33 on your p plates but i see them all the time :S

[Ruffels]

wtf? it says that P-Platers arent allowed to drive s15s? thats bs. the ADM model is rated at 147kw, says 165kw on that list. wat a crock of sh!t. i just bought myself an s15 thinking id be alright for the next 2 years while im on my Ps. thats a load of horsecrock of a source to get power figures from.

stress less mate... i have another 1.5 years on my p's too... and i just bought an adm S15 too... we are perfectly safe

just if a cop tried to fine you for it... inform them that its the australian delivered model with 147kw, not the jap model that has 184kw

i am confused, that says you cant drive a R33 on your p plates but i see them all the time :S

Yes you do see R33 gts-t 's with p plates all the time.... however they are breaking the law, and quite often get caught, i know i did... lol that photocopied excel spread sheet you see posted above was given to me by the local copper ... hence the dash next to r33 gts-t 2 door ... but people continue to drive them.. .. there is an astronmocial amount of r33 gts-t's on carsales at the moment... keep watching that figure come 1st july.... it will increase ten fold!

and then what will we have $5000 r33's most likely lol

-Ruffels

Edited June 9, 2007 by Ruffels

[R34NRG]

at least there wont be a increase in skylines......thats a good thing......even better for the r34s.

ive got 1.5 years to go and ill be free.........i can do it!!!

[NismoR31Jet]

LOL at the coppers dynoing cars to check for power.

I had an argument with a Police officer about the power to weight crap whilst I was in an apprentices Bommodore.

Now as I worked for holden at the time, I had the official Holden weight of a VS series 1 ss with the options this car was fitted with at 1610 KGS.

The coppers paper work said the car weighed 1300 KGS. The Police use unladen figures, which is a car with no fluids at all, no accessories, and in the case of the VS Commodore, of a Manual Non AC V6 Executive, and not the actual weight of the car being driven which was a fully optioned V8 Automatic barge.

Either way, I am an old prick so the rules wont affect me, but seriously, can you imagine it.

Cop pulls over some 18 year old in an old 120y.

COP; I believe this vehicle is banned from being driven on your probationary license.

P-PLATER; Why?

COP; It has an open air filter allowing an extra .025kw increase.

[IOWNU]

Not that I'm totally against P-Platers or something (I only recently came off my Ps) but I think the laws are good.

The main reason being, when I was on my Ps, I used to do some really dumb stuff, particularly in my first year of driving.

All of my mates have done stupid stuff on their Ps.

At the time, you think you're the best driver in the world, but you make so many mistakes and later on you think,

damn that was close or stupid. I know this isn't the case for ALL P Platers, but it is for the majority (of males at least.)

But experience is a major factor in safe driving and you don't realise it until you have some. Now that I've got some early

experience I can tell (and I know) I'm a much safer drive, I can analyse risk better and I'm less inclined to do stupid stuff (albeit still inclined.)

Sure, who is to say people off thier Ps don't do silly things that endanger their lives and others, but in my experience being a P Plater and

hanging around with other P Platers, you are MUCH more inclined to do it on your Ps and because of your lack of experience, you're more

likely to get into some form of trouble.

Taking the right to drive a GTR from an 18 y.o is a good thing.

[fuzzy_scuz]

A BMW X5 has 183 kw and is a turbo diesel?????

[R TUNE]

why not get a R31 skyline, only a RB30 with less then 100rwkw but still a skyline

[UNR33L]

I bought a r33 GTS non turbo4 door back in dec 06, Im 17, getting my Ps the 18th of july and getting extractors and full exhaust done this Tuesday.

Iuno whats gona happen ill wait and see when im on my Ps i guess

[adam-__-]

Would they fine you $1000 and take away 3 demerit points for having engine modifications?

It's gonna be pretty hard for those who want to be in the Jap car scene to buy a car without atleast one engine mod. Chances are, the car's going to have a pod or an exhaust.

Cheers,

Adam

[Al]

I believe so. If you can't find a std import, don't buy it...........simple

[adznight]

Agreed.

Same mate, good to see the sorted the bumps out though like the turbo diesel and smart cars etc. I think they laws are a bloody good idea and it's about time. Don't agree? Eat me!

[spin_psycle]

lol at 32 gtr not being on the list on page one

Edited June 11, 2007 by spin_psycle

[femno]

Not that I'm totally against P-Platers or something (I only recently came off my Ps) but I think the laws are good.

The main reason being, when I was on my Ps, I used to do some really dumb stuff, particularly in my first year of driving.

All of my mates have done stupid stuff on their Ps.

At the time, you think you're the best driver in the world, but you make so many mistakes and later on you think,

damn that was close or stupid. I know this isn't the case for ALL P Platers, but it is for the majority (of males at least.)

But experience is a major factor in safe driving and you don't realise it until you have some. Now that I've got some early

experience I can tell (and I know) I'm a much safer drive, I can analyse risk better and I'm less inclined to do stupid stuff (albeit still inclined.)

Sure, who is to say people off thier Ps don't do silly things that endanger their lives and others, but in my experience being a P Plater and

hanging around with other P Platers, you are MUCH more inclined to do it on your Ps and because of your lack of experience, you're more

likely to get into some form of trouble.

Taking the right to drive a GTR from an 18 y.o is a good thing.

You bring up some good points there, some of which i can and im sure most others can relate to, but you say this now that youre off your p's, i bet if you were still on them you wouldnt be as supportive of them...the inconvenience, the money involved, the time, the headaches in buying and selling cars, now trying to source stock parts makes all this a real pain in the arse.

As it always has and always will, it all comes down to driver attitudes and behaviour, its not really the cars.

As its been said before you can still do 180 and go sideways in an excel if you wanted.

P.S Got a feeling stock parts are going to become just as costly as aftermarket stuff, so hold onto your stocky parts!

[Al]

Anyone needs an R33 airbox with snorkel?

i have two: $11ty billion each

[Grinners]

I'll take them both!

[SKY031]

.....As its been said before you can still do 180 and go sideways in an excel if you wanted.

Just because it's been said before, doesn't make it a valid comparison.

...a more valid comparison would be something along the lines of...

"which would you rather be standing in front of, in the hands of someone with little experience.... a bb gun, or an M16?"

All vehicles have the potential to be lethal weapons, but a vehicle which can reach high speeds over a short distance is much more likely to cause death or permanent/serious injury to passengers, innocent victims, and the driver who is convinced that "it won't happen to me".