Aftermarket Piggyback Ecu For Auto?

[jippa]

read the treads on this and none seem to be recent so wondering if anyone has had a hit or miss wit aftermarket ecu,s. asking because im going to get mine done in a few months. was thinking on trying apexi power fc for ease of tuning but i know that the auto is gona be an issue. any help would be appreciated. oh im also trying to stick to a budget of 2 k . ohh i have a series 1 by the way

Edited June 9, 2007 by jippa

[Ska]

Would the Greddy E-Manage work? I know they work with auto R33's, might be an option?

[leetom]

  Ska said:

Would the Greddy E-Manage work? I know they work with auto R33's, might be an option?

always creates a bit of discussion....million dollar question....i asked aaron[sliding performance] about e manage and he assured me it works with auto ........ trouble is i dont think i asked how well it worked.

ps you'd think this issue would've been cleared up ages ago.

[FLYSLY]

It might work with auto's but does it work with the ATESSA?

[tommyb]

well if u want to keep the auto i would be going for somehing like motec m48 if u can get it secondhand due to the fact that u can keep ur standard ecu for the shift logic for the auto, and the motec runs up to 8 injectors sequentially and has a heap of good fuctions, or try the autronic sm2 which u can keep the factory ecu u as well.

i have a stagea and im going to go with one of them very soon

[FLYSLY]

or just go piggback with the APEXI SITC and SAFC NEO like me, much easier to hide and much much much cheaper than MOTEC and AUTRONIC

[jippa]

hey fly.. so how much did those 2 set ya back. was talking 2 a guy at c red about the apexi power fc and there is another stag that is going to try it out.. he is confident he can get it to work....so will wait and see if it does work. got some good info of him saying that the stag tune on stock ecu is the worst tuned of any of the skylines. it was meant to be a car for snow driving ( basically taking the family to the snow) he also told me the shift points on the auto are not the best

[FLYSLY]

I think for the SITC cost me around 330, I have not bought the SAFC NEO yet, i have been looking and so far the best price i can find is about 430 delivered.

[FLYSLY]

Here is an SITC for sale on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-MINT-AP...sspagenameZWD2V

They are rare so if you want one get in quick cause its not often they are up for sale

[jippa]

the APEXI SITC and SAFC NEO wouldnt get rid of speed cut or overboost would it? that would be extra cost for fuel cut defender and speed cut

[tommyb]

  FLYSLY said:

Here is an SITC for sale on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-MINT-AP...sspagenameZWD2V

They are rare so if you want one get in quick cause its not often they are up for sale

i suppose what u are going for the sitc ans safc will be ok for basic tuning but if u want to go for some good tunning and get thge most out of ur engine then go motec or autronic.

but i have heard the sitc ans sfc work pretty good

[jippa]

the APEXI SITC and SAFC NEO wouldnt get rid of speed cut or overboost would it? that would be extra cost for fuel cut defender and speed cut

[jippa]

the APEXI SITC and SAFC NEO wouldnt get rid of speed cut or overboost would it? that would be extra cost for fuel cut defender and speed cut

[FLYSLY]

ask Tangles he has the SITC and SAFC 2 tuned in his car at the moment, all i know is that as a tuning combo they work very very well, SK also has a similar type setup he has the SITC with the Jaycar DFA.

Like many of us have said if you are after huge power there is no point even buying a Stagea.

The question you need to ask yourself is how much power are you after? The SAFC and SITC combo can quite easily tune well over 200 4 wheel kw, it just all depends on if you have the supporting mods to get there

[jippa]

that is my goal , around 190kw at the wheels . mods are hybrid fmic, apexi pod. splitfire coils. full 3 inch zorst turbo back and runing 14 pound of boost. also have a shift kit in the auto for better shifts. i know with those mods she will be hitting r&r and with some ecus you can get built in boost settings (2) stock and 12 pound= no boost controller. speed and boost cut are also there

[GorGasm]

I would vote Emanage ultimate so long as you have a tuner that can tune it. It allows for a lot of control.

I have SAFC2 and SITC and have 186rwkw, exhaust, fmic, boost controller and a few other bits and bobs.

The apexi combo is tricky to get tuned just right because you have to work around R&R. I would recommend an upgrade to fuel pump and/or a z32 AFM as well to aide in tuning.

[jippa]

will be upgrading fuel pump. wats good? and wat difference would the mentiond afm have

[FLYSLY]

The Z32 allows for more air to be tuned to flow through, fuel pump go for something like the bosch 040.

A good tuner for the e-manage would be harder to come by than a good tuner for the Apexi equipment.

Gorgasm: i dont mean to be rude but im surprised that your only making 186rwkw with your mods, cause im make 162 at all 4 without a tune. And i know for a fact that having the SAFC alone makes a big difference in power.

Jippa: i personally think that for the power you are trying to acheive your best bet would be to stick with something you know people have tried and tested without having to many problems. I really think you will find a lot of problems well maybe not problems as such but difficulties in trying to get the PowerFC to function correctly with the auto

[rev210]

the emanage ultimate has the abillity to work with the factory kit, it has the auto shift ignition retard as a feature. Certainly a far better option to the S-afc and the ITC, they are horribly blunt tools to tune with by comparison. It will come down to the person you get to tune it. My 2c is learn as much as you can about tuning whatever you get yourself, it saves you money. I am looking at the emanage ultimate myself.

[FLYSLY]

  rev210 said:

the emanage ultimate has the abillity to work with the factory kit, it has the auto shift ignition retard as a feature. Certainly a far better option to the S-afc and the ITC, they are horribly blunt tools to tune with by comparison. It will come down to the person you get to tune it. My 2c is learn as much as you can about tuning whatever you get yourself, it saves you money. I am looking at the emanage ultimate myself.

Can you please explain further on this??? Your own experience??