Okay Dont shoot me, Got a few Q's on the R33 Type M

[Guest YZF-R1 Maniac]

Okay Im looking in to getting a skyline in the near future so im in the research mode at the moment.

Wanting to know a fer things about the R33 Gts-t Type M. Series 1

Just a few Basic things like what year did the R33 Type M come out? Was it all years or did it just cover a few years in the R33 run?

Are their any other differences between the Type M and the regular Gts-t apart from the front bar, taller rear wing and some stickers?Is the interior different at all? Stuff like that.

And is the rear wing on the Type M the same as the wing that is on the series2 Gts-t?

Anything else that is different between the two?

Hmm I think thats all for now.

Thanks for your help

Cheers:burnout:

[whatsisname]

Do a search dude! This info has been covered MANY times in the past.

R33 Type M "differences". In short "Type M" means ANY RB25DET powered R33 (bar the Stagea or special one off limited models). The Type M tag signifies it is a turbo model, the same as Silvia Q's (non- T) & Silvia K's (T).

*There is no such thing as a non-Type M R33 GTS25t*

R32 GTS-t's I have no idea?

[Guest YZF-R1 Maniac]

Okay i used the search button and tried all these variants.

R33 Gts-t Type M,

Gts-t

Type M

TypeM

R33 Type M

R33 TypeM

And got these Threads. With NO INFO that was helpfull. Everyone keeps sayin "Use the search button" and thats all.

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/sh...&threadid=17048

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/sh...=&threadid=6453

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/sh...=&threadid=7482

Ahhh Okay here we go one with finally some usefull info.

So it looks as tho all R33 Turbos are the same. Just that the lower front bar and tall rear wing were factory body kit options that the buyer could choose. So thats why there are differences.

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/sh...=&threadid=5000

Cool.

[JimX]

The confusing thing about it all is that often the lower front bar and side skirts are referred to as "Type M" bar/skirts, but they were both options only. Therefore you could buy a new R33 Type M with a small front bar and no side skirts, and you could also buy a Type S (non turbo) with them on. Most people seemed to have opted for the lower front bar and side skirts only with the turbo versions (ie, people with more money to burn) so that the side skirts and lower bar are usually synonymous with "Type M".

Sometimes the above also applies to the higher rear spoiler, though more often it's just referred to as the "series 2" spoiler. Which is also still confusing because it was also an option on the series 1. The turbo and upgraded brakes seem to be the only definitive "Type M" items on the GTS-t because they were standard and not options for the Type S.

The confusion with the R33's seems to have stemmed from the fact that not all R32 GTS-t's were "Type M". There was some equipment differences in the bodykit and brakes, and many people think it carried over to the R33 series but it didn't. You can find more info on the names of each model variant and which equipment was standard or optional on all models from the Motor Traders Network, but even then it's missing some details like the sideskirts and retractable front spoiler options.

Is the above enough to confuse the hell out of you?

[HOTR33]

OK.. I own an R33 Type-M..

And Type-M Dosen't mean it's a 'Turbo' .. it is a GTS-t Type-M that I own.. Not a standard GTS-t...

THe Type-M has different lower body parts, Chamelion Paint, a Duel Entry, Hi-Flow Ball Bearing Turbo and different gear ratio's...

It is a slightly different Car, which is why the price is usually that little bit higher...

GTS-t Type-M + GTS-t = Different Cars

[JimX]

HOTR33, what you said on the most part applies to the R32, but not the R33. But afaik, there were no hi-flowed ball bearing turbos or different gear ratios, I'm pretty sure they were all the same on all turbo Skylines of each particular model (ie, all turbos on turbo models were the same for all R32's, R33's, etc *). The R32 GTS-t and GTS-t Type M have the exact same power which seems to support this argument.

What's a "Duel Entry"?

*Edit: excluding GTRs of course

[Guest YZF-R1 Maniac]

Thanks for the info JimX Was helpful.

Hmm TLR hey? My buddy has one of those Sweet bike, gotta love the V-Twin sound torque.

Cheers

[HOTR33]

JimX ... The Turbo's are different between a Type-M and a standard GTS-t.. the biggest give away is the sound of them.. The Type-M turbo's sound so much different to the standard turbo... and the gear ratio's are slightly different.. I don't have the exact figures on me, but they are different.. They are set up for more 'off-the-line' torque than the standard GTS-t, but Lack at higher speeds...

and as for what a Duel Entry is.. I never knew it existed.. Until I did some research on the Type-M .... I've never removed my heat shield so I cant tell you what it looks like, if it differ's from a normal turbo.. but I imagine it's more an internal difference?

And Yes.. They did have a Hi-Flow Ball Bearing Turbo.. I've had the Turbo Serviced and it was confirmed.. The Mechanic was even surprised.. (And no it's not an aftermarket Turbo)

[JimX]

YZF-R1 Maniac, yeah I love it Not the fastest bike by a long shot, but it does me fine for commuting and weekend scratching.

HOTR33, I can't figure out how you can say that Type M R33's have a hi-flowed turbo since all R33 GTS-t's are Type M. I don't know who your information source is but it's wrong. Click on the link I posted above for more info. As I said, what you said may apply to R32's but given the power output of both normal and Type M R32 GTS-t is the same, I highly doubt it.

Geoff Risbey from Prestige Motorsport will back me up on everything I've said.

[HOTR33]

I hate fighting.. so Frustrating...

I'll say this for the last time.. These are all seperate kinds of Skyline... :

R33 GTS

R33 GTS-t

R33 GTS-t Type-M

R33 GTR

GTS Being the lower end of the market, GTR being Highest...

The Comment "All GTS-t's are Type-M's" is completely Wrong... Type-M is like the .... AMG Version of a Merc, if you will.. or M5 of BMW..

I think your source's source is wrong..

My Sources are Basically High Performance Japanese Car Specialists...

Not let's stop this bickering and enjoy a nice big cup of coffee

[T0nyGTSt]

AFAIK there are three different types of turbos for the 93-97 GTSt.

They're all pretty much crap though. They do have one with ball bearings but still ceramic or plastic wheels.

T.

[HOTR33]

Yes you're right Tony.. But the Type-M Turbo (which is in my car) is the better of the selection...

Plus I bet it spools up and hits high boost quicker than anyone elses turbo (Directing that comment to normal GTS-t's)

[Al]

HOTR33

I would like to see your "type-m" on one of our cruises, just to compare it to my car. Even better, come to the next dyno day and it can be compared to another gtst with similar mods to yours.

I don't know much about the models, but this is the first time i am hearing about differant turbo's and diff. ratio's.

I would have thought the 3 differant turbo's would relate to the age of the car. ie: further development resulted in upgrading the turbo. Mine is also a '94 model, so i would have assumed it was the same as yours.

What do you mean by: "THe Type-M has different lower body parts, Chamelion Paint."?

[JimX]

HOTR33, I've got 2 sources that contradict what you say. That being Geoff Risbey and Import Motortrader. Maybe you should email both those people evidence of your "Type M". When they believe you and update their sites/mailing lists then I'll believe you too. Until then, I'm going to assume your info is incorrect.

[Gradenko]

Ah, misinfomation. i love it.

Non-turbo R33's are Type-S.

Turbo R33's are Type-M. (Yes, all of them).

HOTR33, what you have on your car is good old fashioned aftermarket modification, not a factory turbo. Trust whatsisname on this info, he has the original Nissan spec/pricing sheet for 96-97 Skylines and they don't lie.

[HOTR33]

OK.. This is the last thing I have to say on this matter..

Everyone gets their information from somewhere, being a web page, importer mechanic, or somewhere else... And generally people belive what they hear/read for whatever reason.. and Belive it to be true..

There are several things which have been said which I think to be false, and the same about what I said in the eyes of ther people...

Basically unless anyone here has spoken to the Original Design Team at Nissan in Japan (The ones who desided how it would look, what parts, what models etc.) ...I'm afraid NO-ONE, including my self, knows 100% what is what.. we go by hear-say..

Disagree with me if you want... But how can 'The guy down the road' know exactly, down to the very last nut or hose, know exactly what was designed..

Just becuase he imports them, dosen't mean he knows it all.. Or just becuase it was on a web page.. dosen't mean it's right...

Basically you belive what you want to, for whatever reason..

Simple..

Ciao..

[JimX]

HOTR33, you're right about sources of information. But it's the simple fact that I've got my info from 2 separate independant sources that makes me inclined to believe what I was told. Also, you saying such things as "THe Type-M has different lower body parts, Chamelion Paint, a Duel Entry" do not do your story any favours, because it is very generalised and ambiguous. You also haven't said how to identify the Type M cars. There should be some sort of VIN or other identifaction to differentiate the Type M.

As I said above, I am happy to listen to any evidence you have to prove otherwise, but given everything I have seen the other story is more convincing.

[HOTR33]

OK.. JimX... Body parts... The Type-M generally has grey sideskirts, and the lower half of the front and rear bars, Has a GTR Grille and front bumper is slightly different with it's design, plus has mesh on it... Also the Type-M Has a Larger, almost Supra like Rear Wing..

Chamelion paint is usually The Blue Base, with a Green/Purple Colour Flip... The Type-M uses the Pearl Paint, except for the black Type-M ...which is just All Black, from head to toe.. but the large Rear Wing makes it easy to spot...

And as for the Turbo.. like I said I was unaware of that fact my self.. But as my mechanic has said it's got nissan markings on it, which would indicate factory.. Unless they made a stock looking upgrade for the aftermarket crowd...

If you'd Like to see my car I'll let you know next time I visit my parents in NSW, and we can meet half way between Albury and Sydney if you'd like (as my olds live in Albury, well actually a small town Called Walla Walla..)

I'd be happy to let you examine it all you want...

Any other questions? I'm happy to answer all I can while at work ... work's too boring

[JimX]

I'm still not clear on a lot of the stuff you mentioned. The "larger" rear wing - is that the same that is on all series 2's or is it something different again?

If that is your pic in your icon, your front bar does not look like a GTR's, it looks like mine as seen in my icon. But it's hard to tell, have you got a bigger/clearer pic?

Going off what you've said, it seems like I've also got a "Type M", except I don't have side skirts (they could have been sold by a previous owner).

I don't need to examine your car, I just need to figure out what's going on If you have any VIN numbers to indicate a special "Type M" that would be good, because AFAIK all the things you listed (except the ball bearing turbo which no one seems to know anything about) are just factory options. Maybe if you get all the options fitted it suddenly turns your car into a Type M. That would make sense.

[HOTR33]

OK.. JimX The rear wing is slightly different.. I'd need to find a couple pics for you to compare.. I'll try and find some good ones..

and I never said I had a front bar.. said Type-M's have a GTR grille.. the difference is the black mesh in them.. GTR ones have no Mesh, GTS-t ones have mesh...

and when you buy a Type-M from the factory, it comes with factory sideskirts... which can be referred to as a 'Type-M' factory body kit (including front bar and grille, rear wing and side skirts)

it's a bit like a Holden Berlina and a Holden S Pac.. only difference is the body kits.. skirts, front bar and spoiler... and slightly more power.. but nothing to write to HPI about...

Do you understand what I'm saying now? Or are you still doubtful about something?