Smurf Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Hi all, For those who don't buy Motor magazine I have provided some reasonably interesting info below in relation to their recent test of Ford and Holden's toughest. Car kW(wheels) HSV GTS (manual) 245.2 @ 5,700 HSV R8 (auto) 243.9 @ 5,500 SS Comm (manual) 236.2 @ 5,500 SS V Comm (auto) 232.0 @ 5,500 FPV Force 8 (auto) 229.2 @ 5,900 FPV Force 6 (auto) 229.2 @ 6,200 Falcon XR6T (auto) 195.1 @ 5,700 In July 2003 Motor had a similar test. The results were as follows: Car kW (wheels) Caprice (auto) 5.7ltr 158 Falcon XR8 (manual) 193 Monaro CV8 (manual) 189 SS Commodore (manual) 182 Commodor SV8 (manual) 178 GTS Coupe (manual) 222 HSV Clubbie 5.7ltr (manual) 196 FPV Falcon GT (manual) 225 XR6T (manual) 185 Interesting comparison. You can make as much or as little as you like out of the results. There are many factors that effect the figures and I understand the different dynos produce different results. There are some significant differences and a few minor movements over this 4 year time period. In relation to say the SS Commodore when tested in 2003 the quoted figure by Holden at the flywheel was 235kw where as the current power is 270kw at the flywheel. This is an increase of 14.9%. The figure at the wheels has increased from 182kw to 236kw. This is an increase of 29.7%. All in all this may be an accurate or inaccurate comparison and we will never know. Cheerio Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin 09 Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Thanks smurf, does it list the dyno used? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3223579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted July 11, 2007 Author Share Posted July 11, 2007 (edited) Hey Ronin, For the recent test it was the Swinburne TAFE, Victoria, Dyno Dynamic AWD dynamometer, 16 deg C ambient temp. The 2003 test was also sone on a Dyno Dynamics dynamometer however with a group called C&V. One last comment, I'm impressed by some of the power figures. No wonder their quick in a straight line. It would take a reasonably well modded and tuned Skyline GTST to outrund the Aussie contingent. And I say this not because I am a Ford or Holden fan but because I think it is a fact. Am I wrong in thinking that that a standard GTR would be outrun by most of these cars? Not trying to start a war, just curious. Edited July 11, 2007 by Smurf Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3223623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lingeringsoul Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 NO!!! they is spanking mah skyline Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3223709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
32line Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 they may have more power at the wheels...but its all about power/weight ratio... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3223739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lingeringsoul Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 but the new GTR will just bitch slap them back into the kitchen. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3223764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin 09 Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 they may have more power at the wheels...but its all about power/weight ratio... yep, power to weight is the winner. belive that an R8 is around 1800kgs, giving 7.38kg/rwkw if a stock GTR is 1450kgs, then to match a 7kg/rwkw, the GTR will have to make 207rwkw. I reckon a stock GTR will make around 180rwkw, so with an exhaust it will be close. plus don't forget rear wheel vs 4wd - will the R8 get the power to the ground efficiently as the GTR? all so many variables. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3223961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzilla Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 I find it odd that you would mention that a stock GTR only puts out about 180rwkw. I have a kinda old HPI magazine, which was a GTR special edition mag, In their they mention that most GTR's put out 195-200+ rwkw.. who should i believe? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin 09 Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 I don' know... it may be 195-200 it is so dyno dependant. The number itself is not so relevant as the analysis... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous_daveo Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Also dont forget it is how the power is delivered, and also torque. Those HSVs are quick through the whole rev range, and thats a fair wack of grunt. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forged Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 but the new GTR will just bitch slap them back into the kitchen. GTR is an AWD car most Aussie vehicles are RWD, a GT-T or GTST would be a more valid comparison. A GT-T with a highflow turbo is enough to bitch slap even the all mighty HSV GTS back into the kitchen Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted July 11, 2007 Author Share Posted July 11, 2007 Here's a point of reference for future comparison. Lap times around Calder park from the same bunch of cars were: HSV GTS (manual)1:10.96 HSV R8 (auto) 1:09.90 SS Comm (manual) 1:11.01 SS V Comm (auto) 1:10.80 FPV Force 8 (auto) 1:11.93 FPV Force 6 (auto) 1:10.06 Falcon XR6T (auto) 1:20.20 Points to note, times are not in order. Also I think there was a misprint for the XR6T, I think it should have been 1:12.20. Are there an sub GTR's (i.e. GTS25T) that can top the R8's time. if so what mods did they have. Is there anyone who has raced at Calder in a stock GTR. Cheers Will Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnbutts Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 interesting results, though the XR6T was a bit tougher than that... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
700HP-GTR33 Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Here's a point of reference for future comparison. Lap times around Calder park from the same bunch of cars were:HSV GTS (manual)1:10.96 HSV R8 (auto) 1:09.90 SS Comm (manual) 1:11.01 SS V Comm (auto) 1:10.80 FPV Force 8 (auto) 1:11.93 FPV Force 6 (auto) 1:10.06 Falcon XR6T (auto) 1:20.20 Points to note, times are not in order. Also I think there was a misprint for the XR6T, I think it should have been 1:12.20. Are there an sub GTR's (i.e. GTS25T) that can top the R8's time. if so what mods did they have. Is there anyone who has raced at Calder in a stock GTR. Cheers Will These cars all are very heavy...with no 4 wheel drive. An Evo...WRX...or gtr32/33/34 will all beat those times in standard clothes. Technology is always improving..but our Aus. cars are also getting heavy. Please do not compare these cars to a GTR. GTST/GTT may be a better comparison..rear wheel drive. A stock gtr does..or did...13.4s 1/4 mile I believe all the above cars are 13.7s and above..most around 15s..LOL. I have no idea what you are after....do you want to buy a gtr, and just want to know if they are better at the track? YES YES YES......they are race breed...and band from v8Aus racing because they were to good...lol So forget the dyno. results..they mean nothing...take a ride...you will feel the power. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted July 11, 2007 Author Share Posted July 11, 2007 Please do not compare these cars to a GTR. GTST/GTT may be a better comparison..rear wheel drive. A stock gtr does..or did...13.4s 1/4 mile I believe all the above cars are 13.7s and above..most around 15s..LOL. I have no idea what you are after....do you want to buy a gtr, and just want to know if they are better at the track? It was more out of interest than trying to source a definitive answer as to which car is better, the answer to that question lies in the eye of the beholder of course. Just in relation to your comment, you are saying that I shouldn't compare a GTR to the cars in the list however one of your reasons for this is the quarter of a mile time. This is surely only one form of comparison. It is interesting that you state the quarter mile as a worthy method of comparison when your signature states that performance can only be measured from 0 - 1,000 metres, which leads me to my next question, where do you think they would all stand after the 1,000 metre mark. The GTR would get the jump no doubt and would most likely make it to 400 or 500 metres first though the torque may allow the others to catch up. Once again I am not trying to really acheive anything, just providing info for those who are interested and also making some mild comparisons. So does anyone have Calder times? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
342Four Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Here's a point of reference for future comparison. Lap times around Calder park from the same bunch of cars were:HSV GTS (manual)1:10.96 HSV R8 (auto) 1:09.90 SS Comm (manual) 1:11.01 SS V Comm (auto) 1:10.80 FPV Force 8 (auto) 1:11.93 FPV Force 6 (auto) 1:10.06 Falcon XR6T (auto) 1:20.20 Points to note, times are not in order. Also I think there was a misprint for the XR6T, I think it should have been 1:12.20. Cheers Will those times look pretty good from what ive seen of calder times shows you that a 6 can beat a 8 - the force 6 was quicker than the GTS i think that also shows the awesomeness of the ZF 6 speed auto - better ratios and quicker shifting in the ZF then in the GM 6sp manual Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
342Four Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 here is the formula vee record: 1:11.9963 set in 1995 (not sure what configuration) according to here: http://www.hsv.com.au/racing/tracks/calder.htm the record for v8 supercars was 56.14 in a 96 vr commo by lowndes Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nisskid Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 yep, power to weight is the winner.belive that an R8 is around 1800kgs, giving 7.38kg/rwkw if a stock GTR is 1450kgs, then to match a 7kg/rwkw, the GTR will have to make 207rwkw. I reckon a stock GTR will make around 180rwkw, so with an exhaust it will be close. plus don't forget rear wheel vs 4wd - will the R8 get the power to the ground efficiently as the GTR? all so many variables. meh who cares, different cars for different uses, seems kinda stupid to me if u buy a GTR and all ur worried about is how fast it will go in a straight line. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferni Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Are there an sub GTR's (i.e. GTS25T) that can top the R8's time. if so what mods did they have. Is there anyone who has raced at Calder in a stock GTR. I think i was running 1.08's in my stockish GTR, street tyres etc... But i'm sure someone with more driving skills than me would of gone much faster. There are a few gtst/gtt's running quicker times than that, but modded.... For laptimes around different tracks, including calder, check. http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/in...showtopic=46199 Calder isn't really a great circuit track to compare, somewhere like Sandown would of been better... Still some impressive figures out of stock taxi's there.... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky Rooster Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 i think that also shows the awesomeness of the ZF 6 speed auto - better ratios and quicker shifting in the ZF then in the GM 6sp manual I'm pretty sure that GM and Ford are both using the ZF 6 speed now, just with different ratio's and shifter set ups. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/176130-motor-magazine-dyno-results-for-current-aussie-vehicles/#findComment-3224967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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