Cusco Roll Cage

[R31Nismoid]

Just because its approved by some other body, still will not mean it will gain approval here mate.

Thats the point im trying to explain here.

If the drift scene gets told to go approved cages or none, then your in the shit.

[tacker]

Not sure i understand how i would be in the shit.

I have never said that these cages were CAMS or who ever looks after drifting in Australia approved: What i did say is that they are approved and homlogated by the JAF and made to FIA regulations.

A good point would be to find out if approval from one ASN is carried over to another is possible, it must be as we see the V8 supercars race in this part of the world with cams approved cages, well i think they are CAMS approved?

[R31Nismoid]

Not sure i understand how i would be in the shit.

I have never said that these cages were CAMS or who ever looks after drifting in Australia approved: What i did say is that they are approved and homlogated by the JAF and made to FIA regulations.

Ye, thats all good and well... but what does it have to do with the topic at hand?

A cage in AUS

[DjeMz]

Put it this way dude, if you can find me a 6 point cage Roadworthy AND cams/bla bla bla approved under $700 i will get it done within the month!

In terms of rigidity, will a 6 point be way, way better then a 4? Or will the change be minimal?

[R31Nismoid]

6-point will require you to re-rego the car as a two seater i believe due to the arrangement it requires in a coupe.

This is a bit of dicking around, and more-so if you wanted to sell it later and make it a 4 seater again etc etc.

A 4-point is $700-$800 as i said, and keeps it a 4 seater.

As for the change, best to talk to the cage maker, it would depend some factors i would imagine

[DjeMz]

Why would you need to register the 6 point as a 2 seater?

The only diff between a 6 point and 4 point is the 2 bars that come across the front of the cabin + roof bars (in red)?

I thought it was as long as the cage isnt like the picture below

Where you have that triangle support thingy, then it can remain a 4 seater?

Edited August 11, 2007 by DjeMz

[Duncan]

I can't see how you would want to sit in the back of a car with a 4 point harness let alone 6. For a start what protects your head from hitting the cage in the rear if you're not wearing a helmet.

In NSW, 4 point cage requires 2 seater, 6 point is not legal due to the head injury potential.

CAMS rules? none of the cages in the post above are of legal design and I understand the metal is too thin anyway. Type E has more than 1 bend in the front legs (big no-no for rigidity) and neither has the diagonal brace.

[R31Nismoid]

Why would you need to register the 6 point as a 2 seater?

Seriously, go talk to a Victorian cage builder.

[DjeMz]

Contact details?

I searched..

[tacker]

bond roll bars do a serch they are very helpful well they were when i spoke with them

[Beer Baron]

tacker, the hole drilled into your cage I understand is one of the JAF/FIA requirements. But the two stickers in your pic. the top one is just the part number and model info of the cage. it just looks like a regular sticker, not a self destroying one. the silver sticker is just the NAPAC member sticker. showing that cusco is a member of the japanese auto parts association (like SEMA in the US). they put that silver sticker on heaps of their parts.

the FIA approval plaque must be somewhere else.

I agree with nismoid in that a cusco cage is no use for CAMS scrutinsed events requiring a cage. I'm not sure I agree with it being more dangerous than no cage though. I mean they are made to a standard, and produced by a reputable company. yes the bends in the front legs reduce strength in that area, but the roll over hoop alone would be a huge lift to occupant safety in any roll over crash. the reason they don't meet approval here is that the standards here have VERY specific requirements (like what type of seamless tube, wall thickness, style of welds and joins, thickness of mounts) for all I know the cusco one may meet many of the requirements and fail some just slightly. I don't think that makes it dangerous.

[tacker]

I reckon this topic has been done to death now :-)

And i am getting more confused each post .......which is not hard.

As i now understand only international events required FIA approved cages. Now this is where i am getting confussed, any national event is covered by the local ASN. And it is up to them to approve a cage for MOTORSPORT within national events as long as the design of it and material is within the guide lines of appendix J section 253 of the FIA regs. Even if you purchase a bolt in cage from any supplier. If you installed it, then it is up to you to sign the paper work to present the cage for inspection to the ASN for the log book to be produced. They will then decide if its correct or not.