Engine Builders In Vic

[Al]

I agree with Troy (Roy). If you are confident in your mechanic's abilities, then it is better to get it all done at the same place. Service, tune, upgrades, rebuild, etc; if it's all done by the one w/shop, then they know what is done to the car, how you drive it, and how well you maintain it. If you keep switching w/shops, and something goes wrong, then they'll point the finger at the work done by the other shop.

I have stuck with EAS for 6yrs, my ecu choice was based on what EAS where comfortable tunning, all upgrades and fabrications were completed by EAS and i couldn't be happier with their quality of work. After 6yrs of subtle abuse on track days, cruises and Motokhanas and making double the factory power, my engine gave up after a track session at Calder Park. So now EAS are building me a new engine, that will handle the abuse. Over the 6yrs with EAS i have seen plenty of strong engines leave the w/shop.

Some people have different opinions on different w/shops, at the end of the day, you just got to filter out all the BS.

There is no doubt Racepace has the best reputation for RB engines, and rightfully so, but i personally believe there are other w/shops in VIC that can also build, strong reliable RB engines.

Also someone mentioned that some w/shops will not tell you all the details/secrets of the engine build; this is so true. Why should someone reveal all they secrets that make their engines strong and reliable. This is their living, their bread and butter, so they'll just tell you the basics.

[LTHLRB]

i agree racepace is very good with rb's.. but what about bresciani racing? they have more rb30/25/26s than they have had hot dinners! same goes with CREATD they have built some decent high power rbs... all monsters to say the least...

[arep3]

my RB26 has only GT-SS turbos and powerfc to get more power and ray got around 250awkw out of it on stock boost. with the heavier actuators its around 13psi. i havent had any issues with it since the build.

[Ronin 09]

dont worry about it until it breaks... at least that's what i'm doing :|

btw - crap, Jack forgot to call you back!!! will buzz you tomorrow

[Jetdat]

Have a heard about your car, Ben speaks very highly of it....

[Roy]

i agree racepace is very good with rb's.. but what about bresciani racing? they have more rb30/25/26s than they have had hot dinners! same goes with CREATD they have built some decent high power rbs... all monsters to say the least...

Hey, no doubt there are a number of players that can do a good job. Its up to the individual to take their car to the place that makes them feel all warm and fuzzy. It is a lot of money you are going to spend.

It depends very much on the circles you travel in. If you do track work then you would be familiar with RE Customs and Racepace as they are often out there having a play and many of their customers are out there. I imagined Creatd etc etc all travel in the drag circles so i have never seen any of their work.

But generally, my old R31 was built and tuned by Rigoli in NSW by the cars previous owner. Essentially i decided i would never use a workshop that was big on drag racing as whilst they are very good at what they do best..the thune had holes in it. Poor drivability and fuel economy. Foot to the floor is was a bullet...but there is more to playing with a car then foot to the floor peak power. The quality of the work was just that little bit rougher then the likes of BD4s and UAS etc. I supposed its one of those things when you are driving it for 12 seconds and 400mtrs then your needs are little different

So...just my experience that may impact on what you decide.

[Ronin 09]

agree with roy - tune is as important as a good build.

i would say that anyone who has the right specs for the torque values, and all machining is done right, can assemble a motor well. Hell, I reckon with the right tools and enough time I could put together a motor that will hold together perfectly well. It's things like custom oil control, sump mods etc that I

don't know how to do, nor know exactly what to do... that's what you're paying for.

then a nice conservative tune with not too much heat (as roy has said), tuned for mid range power, will see you happy for a long time. mine has 2680s on it and makes around 340rwkw on a stock motor and drives great - on the street i don't need anything over 6000rpm.

[NickR33]

I agree.... just drive it til it breaks dude... RB's are a pain to take out and if its going to hold together let it do so for as long as possible... if the tune is spot on and you don't overheat it you might be lucky and get many laps from it...

I think tune is the MOST important factor... once we stripped my motor it was evident that the failure was in fact caused by detonation in cylinder 5 that has slightly twisted the rod, bent the crank and of course hammered the bearing to death... so not oil control as was first thought (but it really didn't help that I was running with zero oil control mods)

so to keep costs within my budget we are going to do everything except machining and tuning... as Ronin points out as long as it is correctly assembled and the machining is spot on (I'm using Saliba engines for the machining) it should run fine, leaving tuning as the most important factor... afterall it doesn't matter how strong the motor is if you run it too hot or to lean or even too cold or too rich you are going to damage something and its not going to be cheap

at the end of the day I would have preferred to park the car at RE or Racepace and hand them my credit card... but I don't have a credit card and I want to get my hands dirty... as clearly I'm sick in the head;)

[LTHLRB]

RB's arnt hard to take out man, i had mine out in 2 hrs..

[acsplit]

RB's arnt hard to take out man, i had mine out in 2 hrs..

btw anyone can make big power with race fuel and when an engine only has to last for 10 - 15 seconds at full noise its not the biggest ask

[LTHLRB]

but how realiable does the engine need to be to be running consistant 9.2 - 8.9's for years on end..

its not rocket science, anyone who knows how to build a good motor can build a motor, they will build it to last, its upto you to choose your tuner..

i know guys who have had their engines built by backyarders who do an awesome job, and they get them tuned by their choice of workshops, then your done...

john bresciani built pannic YEARS ago... and is still running to this day and he thrashes its balls off @ 2.2bar and 550kw, no problems

top fuelers and comp race cars are different on the other hand when those 3000hp engines are built to last that 6.99 seconds or less, they have a full pit crew on hand to rebuild or rebore or change the rooted piston before the next race, those engines dont need to last..

moral to my story.. an engine is an engine, how its tuned is a different story

[ardie]

RB's are a pain to take out

No engine is going to be "easy" to take out, but last rb I took out (an rb20) wasn't any more of a hassell then previous jobs I've done, was just as easy as the time we swapped a CA to an SR in my mates sil80 or when we put in a new motor in my mates POS commodore.

Thanks for the comments none the less peoples, I've called around a few places and done some research and I have a pretty clear of an idea of the path the rebuild is going the take. Its not going to be immediate, I'm going to gradually collect parts over time and then when it goes POP in go the goodies. WISH ME LUCK!

[NickR33]

RB's arnt hard to take out man, i had mine out in 2 hrs..

well I know who to call next time then... any turbo efi motor is plenty of work to take out, but 2 hours solo is damn quick, does that include stripping it?

[Al]

john bresciani built pannic YEARS ago...

I know from good authority, that John did NOT build pannic, even though he likes to claim he did

[Roy]

And so many drag guys play their cars close to therir chest. Which is fair enough...but engines that have beeb rebuilt with new mods a year after the original build no longer consititutes the original build and years of driving in my eyes.

LOL...and 2.2bar? Sure, if i put a thick gasket in my car and ran 7.2:1 compression i could run 2.2bar on race fuel as well. Im not saying this is the case but you often have to read between the lines of what ppl are telling you if you hope to get somehting out of their experiences for your application.

[ardie]

what i want to know is WHO BUILT YOUR ENGINE ROY!!! lol i had a little chat to somebody about your car today and they blatently said they cant believe that your engines stock, if i recall, the exact words were "that engine is not stock man, it has to have something done inside it" what else have you been hideing besides your massive power? l

[Ronin 09]

what i want to know is WHO BUILT YOUR ENGINE ROY!!! lol i had a little chat to somebody about your car today and they blatently said they cant believe that your engines stock, if i recall, the exact words were "that engine is not stock man, it has to have something done inside it" what else have you been hideing besides your massive power? l

i would check your 'source' that's a $800 motor in there...

[LTHLRB]

roy, i have known john for a while and i did work at bresciani a while back, and yes to pump out the power he did.. 32psi was pushed thru the turbo..

Al, john probably didnt, but roger debono's car is still running strong 450kw+ and street driven.. tery sakr.. 500kw+ and still going strong.. PLATNM 550kw+ and still going strong..

as i said, u dont have to have a jap or drift or track racing workshop to build a good engine

[LTHLRB]

imagined Creatd etc etc all travel in the drag circles so i have never seen any of their work.

wrong, they have built a few 10sec and quicker gtrs, they hold the record for fastest manual r33 gtst.. 10.6, fastest 1.8ltr gsr 10.8, but he has tuned and built a few cars that do track work, drift work and alot of street..

its whatever tickles the customers pickle really, and whatever is needed, they will do

[Roy]

as i said, u dont have to have a jap or drift or track racing workshop to build a good engine

Im not disagreeing with that comment at all, i agree.

wrong, they have built a few 10sec and quicker gtrs, they hold the record for fastest manual r33 gtst.. 10.6, fastest 1.8ltr gsr 10.8, but he has tuned and built a few cars that do track work, drift work and alot of street..

its whatever tickles the customers pickle really, and whatever is needed, they will do

???? Wrong? I didnt realise that my never having seen there cars is somehow wrong ???? I wasnt taking away from any particular workshop. Just saying depending on the circles you move in ppl will often have an affinity with certain workshops. If its your street car there are any number of places to go. If you go to Vic trackdays you would be forgiven for thinking RE Customs and Racepace are the only shops in the state. I imagine if i went to the drags then the Created, Bresciani etc cars would have you believing they are the only ones who know how to screw good RBs together. Again my point is you will get feedback based on the circles the person travels in. Its best to consider that when yo uare weighing up advice and the function you intend your car to serve

what i want to know is WHO BUILT YOUR ENGINE ROY!!! lol i had a little chat to somebody about your car today and they blatently said they cant believe that your engines stock, if i recall, the exact words were "that engine is not stock man, it has to have something done inside it" what else have you been hideing besides your massive power? l

LOL..i have an idea of who you may have been speaking to Can i ask for you to give up their name My engine was built by Nissan! Thats it. I would like to know if they even know or have met me? I think anyone that knows me knows that i am straight up and down about this sort of thing. I would like to set that person straight as they are effectively saying im misleading ppl. I would hate to think ppl are spreading rumours that im basically lying. As thats not what im about.

For all my bullshit I WOULD NEVER LIE ABOUT SUCH A THING!!!!!!!!!!! I would hate to have someone think that "oh he is making that power and running that boost on a std motor and its been reliable" Then do the same thing and blow it up. Again, I WOULD NEVER LIE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT COULD COST ANOTHER CAR OWNER MEGA COIN!

It is a std motor 100%. I tried cams in it and it was a waste of money and the car didnt even make it out of the workshop with them. It is 100% even running the std cams. Ad4m in WA is running 26psi for 300rwkws out of a std RB20 and TD06-20G at the drags, though he has a bigger A/R exhaust housing. He has ran a 12:00 flat. (poor bloke, so close to an 11 ) I have no problem when ppl keep what they have to themselves. It shits me to tears when i know ppl have done things and they deny it. As they run the risk of allowing other ppl to learn very hard and expensive lessons. There is enough of this sort of sh1t going on in the FI section of this forum without me perpetuating it I pride myself on letting ppl know what going on with my car. I have never hidden the fact that my car caught on fire. I had a motor let go at PI a few years ago. I hit walls at the track. If others can avoid th emistake i have made, then surely thats what this forum shoudl be about !

So rant and serious stuff over with...I will gladly let whoever inspect my motor, hell remove the sump, remove the rocker covers or even remove the head. Measure displacement, whatever. If they take the head off they have to put a nice gasket back in as i worry about the std head gasket on my engine when running the bosot and power i am...as the thing aint no spring chicken and could be from a car as old as 1989 . The only catch is when they confirm that my motor is a $600 wrecker motor from EKW...they have to shout me a select group of mates a night on the piss, and maybe the strippers