N/a 1/4 Mile Performance

[R34GTFOUR]

also, if you watch the dyno run, you will see that it only powers to the stock 7000rpm limiter so theres no chance of cams etc

[ztuned]

i dont think u have emphasised enough that the car is stock...so how stock is it?

[R34GTFOUR]

i dont think u have emphasised enough that the car is stock...so how stock is it?

lol okay its only a little stock then...

well if you saw in the first post, thats when i first mentioned, and wait for it.... that it was STOCK but the "stockness" has been asked again and again so just to make everything clear i just repeated myself.

S.T.O.C.K wooooh woooh

[Eug]

i personally think you're over emphasizing the stockness of it to play up the fact that he's running a freak 1/4 mile time.

regardless, even if it is a freak car - there's a logical explanation for it... things just don't happen. i'm sure alot of us would like to know why, and see if we can make anything of it.

when i get some spare time i will try to replicate it.

also if possible can your brother get a timeslip? i'd like to see what kinda speeds he's doing.

[SilverECR33]

there is such things as freaks. I know a car like this.

[R34GTFOUR]

i'll be seeing him later tonight so ill ask him for a slip, but his trap speed from memory wasnt impressive.

Of course theres a logical explanation for things like this, and most of the time its because the good old "run em in hard they go hard".

Its known that an engine that has had a decent run in, and not just putted around has better bedding in with rings etc which creates more compression = more power.

Whats the average 60 foot time for a manual n/a skiz?

Edited August 9, 2007 by R34GTFOUR

[R34GTFOUR]

i personally think you're over emphasizing the stockness of it to play up the fact that he's running a freak 1/4 mile time.

im not over emphasizing anything, from the start i told you what the car was then questions like "are you sure its not a gtst" pop up as if its something i may of overlooked so i have to repeat myself

like i said before i only started this thread to see what times you guys are pulling so i could compare with my bros, not to agrue if his motor is fully built with 12-1 CR.

[Eug]

intake and exhaust have been modified/changed. isn't stock is it? helps increase performance.

define exhaust? catback? from the headers back? muffler?

neither are the tyres, which means he has rims. are they light weight rims? again not stock. helps with performance

under quoting the power figure with a fast time also makes people skeptical (myself included). so you can't blame people for their questions.

who knows the head could have been ported and polished in japan?

have the rear seats, interior trim, sound deadening, etc. been removed? you haven't specified.

as you say, it's stock stock stock, but from what i gather it might have a few things which you don't really consider as modifications. which is why i'm emphasizing on the point that your brother's car is running a faster than normal time non-standard.

14.6 is an impressive time, and you've given both the dyno runs and a video to prove it. no one is saying he didn't run that time. however people are questioning what you would consider stock.

the car is well around ~1 second faster than the average time. driving the car hard, may lead to better bedding in of the rings which improves compression, but this isn't reflected in the dyno run. for arguements sake, the dyno is reading low (even at 150RWHP) but i wouldn't say ~1 seconds worth... again i'll emphasize the point that no one is pointing fingers, just a level understanding on what us both (and others) would consider being modifications, and what others wouldn't.

as to the gtst call, it's a fair one - as stock gtsts would be around the low 14 to mid 14 mark.

[R34GTFOUR]

as to the gtst call, it's a fair one - as stock gtsts would be around the low 14 to mid 14 mark.

well not really, cause i'm posting in a n/a section, i started the post saying it was n/a and that it was a gts, so one would assume that its not a gtst (not having a dig at you lol)

I totally understand why its hard to beleive, it does my head in aswell, thats also part of the reason why i posted, cause i know that a normal gts shouldnt run the times that this does.

As i have said the motor has never been touched by us, including the bottom end and head as far as i know, but the car was bought with 60,000km on the clock so my bro or myself obviously cant account for what happened before this. This car came from the car yard as if it would out of the factory, standard exhaust etc, so one would assume that the motor is stock and left untouched from japan otherwise you would expect the simple mods such as full exhaust, intake etc to have been on the car when it was purchased 8 odd years ago. It doesnt make sense for someone in japan to have spent money on the motor and leave everything else dead stock, even suspension etc was stock.

Intake consists of piping running straight from the afm to the front of the car, no pod no nothing so its literally like a vacuum cleaner picking shit up off the road. I've told him that hes crazy, but the car has done near on 100000km with no pod and still goes strong lol

The exhaust consists of factory manifold and piping to the cat, where it is 2 1/2 inch mild steel piping, using nothing more than press bent techniques, and it has a cheap 3inch cannon muffler, the whole exhaust cost him less than 250 bucks, and its the best n/a sounding skyline i have heard haha

As for the wheels, they are again cheap CAST thai copies, and they are far from light weight forged items. They are only 7inch wide rims, that is why the 245 shouldnt be on there. The tyres are agian just cheap 245s (cant remember the brand) but they arent anything special.

Full interior is in the car when racing, thats front and rear seats, sound deadening is still there as is the factory steering wheel. The only thing changed is a short shifter and a new knob

Suspension is standard rooted shockies, with king springs superlows allround, with the rear having a coil taking off each king spring.

Computer is standard nissan item, with no piggy backs like safc etc connected.

Drivetrain is the standard 5 speed rb25de box, same as the r32 rb20det box, which is pretty much missing all syncos. Clutch has been replaced due to age, but only with a stock item. Stock tailshaft, lsd and drive shafts.

The reason i was saying STOCK STOCK STOCK before is that the car is literally that. The only other way i can descibe it to you is that the car sits exactly as it would the day it came off the showroom floor expect for what i have mentioned.

If there was a secret to it, believe me i would tell everyone, theres nothing like gtst drivers at the drags asking questions like "so what boost you running??" only to answer its n/a then generally the next statement is "Bullshit, pop the hood, its gotta have a turbo"

Edited August 9, 2007 by R34GTFOUR

[Eug]

It doesnt make sense for someone in japan to have spent money on the motor and leave everything else dead stock, even suspension etc was stock.

compliance

like "so what boost you running??" only to answer its n/a then generally the next statement is "Bullshit, pop the hood, its gotta have a turbo"

lol...

well i'm stumped... whatever it is that's done, i'd like a go at it.

[unarmed_skyline]

almost sounds identical to what how my car was when i ran my time, i had a pod with straight threw pipe, 2 1/5 cat back, 17's at fropnt with 225 and 25 16";s at back, with no seats in the car part from driver, and i had upgraded clutch, i wont call it stock and mine was a type m or something which is ment to have a tqueked ecu, and i drove it hard all the time,

The only possibilities i can think to that run would be, a freak freak car, there was some internal work done in japan and then exteria mods were replaced for compliance, or the timing on the run its self was wrong - trigger may have stuck done a tiny sensor fault, i've also heard that sometimes the reaction times can affect the run time, somthing like if you have a really high reaction time it trys to account for it or something cant really remember but it was thrown around somewhere at some stage.

Just though i'd put up some possible suggestions to why it may have run a freak time, i'd really love to know why it did it so i could replicate it when i put my motor back in, and im sure most other people would love to know too, a few slips from the day would help to clear up some possibilities, ie if it only ran 1 14 sec run or if it did it consistantly on more than one day/track.

[R34GTFOUR]

almost sounds identical to what how my car was when i ran my time, i had a pod with straight threw pipe, 2 1/5 cat back, 17's at fropnt with 225 and 25 16";s at back, with no seats in the car part from driver, and i had upgraded clutch, i wont call it stock and mine was a type m or something which is ment to have a tqueked ecu, and i drove it hard all the time,

The only possibilities i can think to that run would be, a freak freak car, there was some internal work done in japan and then exteria mods were replaced for compliance, or the timing on the run its self was wrong - trigger may have stuck done a tiny sensor fault, i've also heard that sometimes the reaction times can affect the run time, somthing like if you have a really high reaction time it trys to account for it or something cant really remember but it was thrown around somewhere at some stage.

Just though i'd put up some possible suggestions to why it may have run a freak time, i'd really love to know why it did it so i could replicate it when i put my motor back in, and im sure most other people would love to know too, a few slips from the day would help to clear up some possibilities, ie if it only ran 1 14 sec run or if it did it consistantly on more than one day/track.

Definately not a trigger problem cause its cracked a 14.6 on two seperate nights. It has run mostly high 14 second passes, a few low 15s because of a shitty launch or missed gear etc

I knew you guys would mention compliance lol, but i dont think this is the case. You can tell when you see a modded skiz that has been put back to stock to pass complience, but this car looked like new. All the exhaust and suspension etc looked like it had never been touched before, and you can always tell when your undoing something for the first time.

I'll try to get a slip with all the details but i think they all went in the bin

I already asked, but wats considered a good 60 foot time in one of these?

[95SKY]

Definately not a trigger problem cause its cracked a 14.6 on two seperate nights. It has run mostly high 14 second passes, a few low 15s because of a shitty launch or missed gear etc

I knew you guys would mention compliance lol, but i dont think this is the case. You can tell when you see a modded skiz that has been put back to stock to pass complience, but this car looked like new. All the exhaust and suspension etc looked like it had never been touched before, and you can always tell when your undoing something for the first time.

I'll try to get a slip with all the details but i think they all went in the bin

I already asked, but wats considered a good 60 foot time in one of these?

Im not to sure weather the car had to be returned to stock if it was complied 8 years ago just thought, not to sure of the laws etc back then.

[mad082]

i ran a 14.84 in my magna at willowbank with just a cat back exhaust. trying to launch a fwd sux. my best 60ft time was a 2.187. i got the slip kicking round here somewhere. i'd like to be the quickest NA magna in qld, but i have to get down to 14.4 to claim the title.

[95SKY]

i ran a 14.84 in my magna at willowbank with just a cat back exhaust. trying to launch a fwd sux. my best 60ft time was a 2.187. i got the slip kicking round here somewhere. i'd like to be the quickest NA magna in qld, but i have to get down to 14.4 to claim the title.

What a weapon i love it, Thats a v6 model i take it?

[mad082]

yeah it's a 99 model with the 3.5L. the earlier ones had a 3.0L, but even some of them are nudging into the 14 second bracket. the autos are only getting to the low 15's.

i ran my 14.84 in full street spec, except for a different set of tyres (i still had spare in the boot, and the trolley jack on the floor in the back). the tyres were 15" 205/50 retreads. i'd love to be able to get a 2.0 60 foot, but i don't think i will without better tyres. it's hard to get of the line and you have to take it easy when you grab second as well cause it will light up if you punch it straight away. if it was rwd i reakon i could easily get a 14.5 or faster. i am going to spend a bit of time on the dyno fiddling with stuff to try to get more power. i will drop the exhaust off after the middle muffler and see if i gain any power, make up a cold air intake, put a k&n panel filter in, etc, then take it down for another run.

[R34GTFOUR]

yeah it's a 99 model with the 3.5L. the earlier ones had a 3.0L, but even some of them are nudging into the 14 second bracket. the autos are only getting to the low 15's.

i ran my 14.84 in full street spec, except for a different set of tyres (i still had spare in the boot, and the trolley jack on the floor in the back). the tyres were 15" 205/50 retreads. i'd love to be able to get a 2.0 60 foot, but i don't think i will without better tyres. it's hard to get of the line and you have to take it easy when you grab second as well cause it will light up if you punch it straight away. if it was rwd i reakon i could easily get a 14.5 or faster. i am going to spend a bit of time on the dyno fiddling with stuff to try to get more power. i will drop the exhaust off after the middle muffler and see if i gain any power, make up a cold air intake, put a k&n panel filter in, etc, then take it down for another run.

yeah those manual v6 magnas are bloody weapons. Drop the kids off to school reeeeaal quick

14.8, good effort with re-treads, stick nice 225 or 235 on the front and you should get that 60 foot time down to 2.0 and theres your mid 14

[mad082]

there is a guy with a fully worked NA magna that makes around 300hp and runs low 13's, then there was a twin turbo one making 350kw that ran low 12's.

i'd like to get a set of semi slicks to try.

oh, and i was passing at around 93mph

[Nismo_God]

this can not be right.....stock 33 n/a just can not do it.....even if the stig is driving....there must be something done to it....

just cant see it doint it.....with 123rwhp......i had 170kw and pulled off a 13.8 back in the day....

any time slip info???

[NA_R33]

this can not be right.....stock 33 n/a just can not do it.....even if the stig is driving....there must be something done to it....

just cant see it doint it.....with 123rwhp......i had 170kw and pulled off a 13.8 back in the day....

any time slip info???

Ditto!

Im not saying it hasnt done it... From what u have told us it may well have had head work and u dont know it, possibly a reflashed 32 ecu that u dont know about but even then it is very unlikely that it would do those times, as i said freak cars that happen to get perfectly clearanced and balanced engine still wouldnt make this kind of a difference, and that is all so called "freak" cars are, this world is bound by rules and laws nothing is unexplainable. I dont care if your brother is schumacher, i am a fully sponsered proffesional drag racer, albeit i dont race every weekend even the HPI testers that do couldn't pull times close to what your claiming. As i said previously i would love to see a time sleep but again, variances in RA and temp still dont make that big of a difference...