Gtr 32 With A Gtr 33 Engine

[Adz2332]

Im looking at a GTR 32 with a GTR 33 engine in it...

Aparently thats all that has been changed is the engine, is that possiable?

Anything i should look for or find out, because i dont kno if u can do dodgy conversions on it etc?

Also it has the N1 tubos, any good?

Anything i should find out about it or ask?

Pros and cons to this set up in a 32?

oh and stupid question but any way i can double check it is actually a 33 GTR engine?

Any help would be great.

adam

Edited August 22, 2007 by Adz2332

[djr81]

Im looking at a GTR 32 with a GTR 33 engine in it...

Aparently thats all that has been changed is the engine, is that possiable?

Yes.

Anything i should look for or find out, because i dont kno if u can do dodgy conversions on it etc?

It is not really a conversion. There are minimal differences between the 32 & the 33 RB26, although the later engine is slightly better. Just have a good look & make sure the work has been done well.

Also it has the N1 tubos, any good?

Depends. There are a number of different types of N1 turbos. Some are ordianry, some are very good indeed. You need to read the tag on the core of the turbos, then post thenumber for decyphering.

Anything i should find out about it or ask?

Compression test. Leak down test.

Pros and cons to this set up in a 32?

Pro: Motor is newer.

Con: It may still be stuffed.

oh and stupid question but any way i can double check it is actually a 33 GTR engine?

Get the engine number.

[Adz2332]

Yes.

It is not really a conversion. There are minimal differences between the 32 & the 33 RB26, although the later engine is slightly better. Just have a good look & make sure the work has been done well.

Depends. There are a number of different types of N1 turbos. Some are ordianry, some are very good indeed. You need to read the tag on the core of the turbos, then post thenumber for decyphering.

Compression test. Leak down test.

Pro: Motor is newer.

Con: It may still be stuffed.

Get the engine number.

cheers so the newer engine is slightly better any way...

so the gearbox, diff, clutch etc from a 32 gtr will be fine to take and handle the33 engine?

so get some numbers off the turbo and the engine number?

[GTAAAH]

Hey, sorry to hijack your thread dude, got a question for djr81.. alot of people on this site say compression test AND leak down test.. I thought you only need do the leak down test if the comp test fails(??)because the leak down test is designed to show you where your losing compression :S

[STATUS]

so the gearbox, diff, clutch etc from a 32 gtr will be fine to take and handle the33 engine?

its the same anyway.

[djr81]

Hey, sorry to hijack your thread dude, got a question for djr81.. alot of people on this site say compression test AND leak down test.. I thought you only need do the leak down test if the comp test fails(??)because the leak down test is designed to show you where your losing compression :S

They tell you different things. Most people are happy with a compression test, particularly if it is a stock engine as the allowable numbers are published by Nissan.

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/in...est+compression

[TTT]

I thought there was a difference in clutches (push type and pull type) between R32 and R33 GTR's.

also, I thought R33 GTR engine already had the right crank for an N1 oil pump and doesn't need a collar like the R32 did.

[bazr33]

not that i am 100% sure, but isnt the r32gtr oil pump shithouse? or have been known to fail.

[djr81]

I thought there was a difference in clutches (push type and pull type) between R32 and R33 GTR's.

also, I thought R33 GTR engine already had the right crank for an N1 oil pump and doesn't need a collar like the R32 did.

Sorry to go postal, but this annoys the crap out of me.

Late model 32's have the same (Exactly the same) oil pump drive & clutch as the 33's.

As to bazr33. The 32 oil pump is quite ok. It is more prone to failure than the 33's, however. Whether or not you blame the size of the mating surfaces on the crank or simply the age of the oil pump itself is entirely up to you. I would never call it sh!thouse, but then I am not one of those people who gets surprised when an abused engine fails so maybe I just lack imagination.

[SirRacer]

I thought there was a difference in clutches (push type and pull type) between R32 and R33 GTR's.

also, I thought R33 GTR engine already had the right crank for an N1 oil pump and doesn't need a collar like the R32 did.

Bang on.

Pull clutches are used in the 33 gtr and the 33 gtr also has a different crank

[TTT]

Sorry to go postal, but this annoys the crap out of me.

Late model 32's have the same (Exactly the same) oil pump drive & clutch as the 33's.

As to bazr33. The 32 oil pump is quite ok. It is more prone to failure than the 33's, however. Whether or not you blame the size of the mating surfaces on the crank or simply the age of the oil pump itself is entirely up to you. I would never call it sh!thouse, but then I am not one of those people who gets surprised when an abused engine fails so maybe I just lack imagination.

Hi Postman Pat.

What year/month are you refering to for "late model"?

[djr81]

Hi Postman Pat.

What year/month are you refering to for "late model"?

R32 GT-R’s

Gross production quantity

43,934 units

Production quantity classified by type 40,390 control vehicles

NISMO 560 unit

V specifications 1,453 unit

V specifications II 1,303 units

228 N1 based specifications

Under carriage number division GT - R NISMO (marketing quantity 500 units)

Under carriage number 100000 – 100560

Prior-term type: 1989 August 21st -

Under carriage number 000051 – 017466

Mid-term type: 1991 August 20th -

Under carriage number 212001 –

Latter-term type: 1993 January -

Under carriage number 300001 - 314649

Register quantity of classified by year type

1989 system (1989) 4,555 units

1990 system (1990) 8,426 units

1991 system (1991) 7,081 units

1992 system (1992) 7,961 units

1993 system (1993) 6,204 units

1994 system (1994) 7,465 units

Standard setting body color Prior-term type

Gang ray metallic (KH2)

Jet silver metallic (KG1)

Dark blue pearl (TH1)

Lead pearl metallic (AH3)

Black pearl metallic (732)

Mid-term type/latter-term type

Crystal white (326)

Spark silver metallic (KL0)

Gang ray metallic (KH2)

Lead pearl metallic (AH3)

Black pearl metallic (732)

Prior-term type 1989.8.21 Debut at that time price: 445 ten thousand

It comes after ƒnƒRƒXƒJ and ƒPƒ“ƒ?ƒŠ and it debuts the victory of group A as a purpose as 3rd generation GT-R

Total length 4,545mm?~ full 1,755mm?~ total height 1,340mm wheel base 2,615mm

Vehicle weight 1,430kg

The highest output 280ps/6,800rpm largest torque 36.0kg-m/4,400rpm

Engine type RB26DETT total cubic displacement 2,568cc

* Adoption of twin ceramic turbocharger

* Electronic control torque split 4WD (ATTESA E-TS) adoption

Adoption of *4 wheel multi-link suspension

Adoption of *225/50-16 inch tire

ƒjƒXƒ‚ 1989.3.11 Sale at that time price: 441 ten thousand

560 units were produced as a Gr-A evolution model.

* Turbine wheel material of turbocharger from ceramics modification to metal

* Adding the air intake to the front bumper

* Addition of hood top mall

* Modification of side sill protector

* Addition of small-sized rear spoiler

* Abolition of rear wiper

The abolition of *ABS

* Abolition of air conditioner

Abolition of *I/C grille

* Vehicle weight 1,400kg (the light weight conversion of 30kg)

Mid-term type 1991.8.20 Sale at that time price: 451 ten thousand

* Addition of side impact door beam

* Driver's seat SRS air back option setting

* Addition of seat belt warning light

* Adoption of shocking absorption steering wheel pad

* Adoption of interior resistance to flame conversion material

* Modification of headlight lens and H1 conversion of valve

* Vehicle weight 1,480kg (the increase of 50kg)

Latter-term type 1993.2.3 Sale at that time price: 454.5 ten thousand

* Clutch structure from push system modification to pulling system

Modifying rear diff. cover form from the *94 model

V specifications 1993.2.3 Sale at that time price: 526 ten thousand

Commemorating Gr-A3 year successive victories, it sells

* Total height +15 it makes 1,355mm

* ƒuƒŒƒ“ƒ{ corporation make brake caliper - and adoption of rotor

Adoption of *BBS aluminum wheel

Tire adoption of *225/50-17 size

* Vehicle weight 1,500kg (the increase of 20kg)

V specifications II 1994.2.14 Sale at that time price: 529 ten thousand

Commemorating Gr-A4 year successive victories, it sells

Tire modification to *245/45-17 size

* Adoption of private sticker

N1 At that time price: Control vehicle based 430.5 ten thousand V ƒXƒy?[ƒbƒNƒx?[ƒX 509 ten thousand

V specifications II base 512 ten thousand

It sells as the pace vehicle for N1 durable race/lace participation

* Adding the air intake to the front bumper

* Addition of hood top mall

* Abolition of rear wiper

The abolition of *ABS

* Abolition of air conditioner

Abolition of *I/C grille

* Adding the baffle plate for brake cooling

* Headlight from projector system modification to suspicious looking 2 light systems

Also the based vehicle respectively simultaneously with *V specifications ¤ V specifications II sale modification

From *V specifications base turbine wheel material of turbocharger from ceramics modification to metal

[Adz2332]

can ayone tell me, if i do buy this gtr 32 wid the 33 engine, if i get a power fc will i need one to suit a gtr33? or still a 32 gtr?

[Adz2332]

can ayone tell me, if i do buy this gtr 32 wid the 33 engine, if i get a power fc will i need one to suit a gtr33? or still a 32 gtr?

[djr81]

can ayone tell me, if i do buy this gtr 32 wid the 33 engine, if i get a power fc will i need one to suit a gtr33? or still a 32 gtr?

If you have a look at the Power FC range you will make the discovery that the one for the 32 Gt-R is identical to the one for the 33 GT-R.

[TTT]

Latter-term type 1993.2.3

would have been enough..

interesting though..

it seems they went up to 1500kg at that time..

it mentions the clutch change over but nothing about the crank etc.

[Beer Baron]

no, only the vspec went to 1500kg because of larger brakes and larger wheels and larger tyres.'

the later models were already a bit heavier than early models due to side intrusion bars.

[djr81]

would have been enough..

interesting though..

it seems they went up to 1500kg at that time..

it mentions the clutch change over but nothing about the crank etc.

Well someone would have asked about other stuff anyway. No more effort to post the lot in than one line.

With regard to the weight - frankly I don't believe the numbers that are shown. My car doesn't weigh 1500kg. More like the 1440 listed (wet, but with no fuel). It is a '94.

Now whilst the rotors for the Brembo's & the wheels/tyres may be slightly heavier, I do not believe there would be 20kg's in it.

Edited August 24, 2007 by djr81

[Beer Baron]

I reckon there would be almost 5kg a corner in 324vs296 rotors and the difference between 17inc wheels and tyres and 16inch wheels and tyres. maybe 4kg anyway. 1.5kg for tyre. 1kg for wheel. 2kg for bigger rotor and caliper. not impossible.

[R33_Beast]

Adz2332: Just out of curiosity is this a white wingless 32 GTR?