Aps

[wizlb]

Air Power System is an Australian company that export more turbos overseas then it sells here in OZ.

Is anyone using them on the V35 or 350Z.

Their Turbos are kick ass bad.

Has our forum try to build a relationship with APS?

Single turbo will increase power by 35%

Twin turbo can get your HP into the 400 plus range.

Cheers,

[WazR32GTSt]

work for APS by any chance?

[LTHLRB]

why not get a single garret turbo.. rated at 700hp and increase by alot?

Edited August 22, 2007 by LTHLRB

[R34]

For Aussies they won't sell the kit but insist on fitting at their workshop meaning you have to ship your car to Melbourne and back.

Not worth the $17k all up cost IMHO

+400hp would be the limit as efficient NA engines have lightweight components that shouldn't be boosted too much

[NA_R33]

Ditto, for the 6g cost landed id be buying the single turbo turbonetics kit that nets u the same power with the same potential for more power.

[LTHLRB]

6g can bag you a trust TD06 l2 kit for an rb25det full bolt up

[NISMO]

I spoke to APS just before my car landed and the short of it was that they're not interested in the V35 market in Australia.

I mentioned that the cars are gaining in popularity every day, and more and more are coming in, and again, not interested.

[R34]

I spoke to APS just before my car landed and the short of it was that they're not interested in the V35 market in Australia.

I mentioned that the cars are gaining in popularity every day, and more and more are coming in, and again, not interested.

Yes they're Di#kheads.

Quite happy to sell kits to the US where they tell me mechanics are not as good as here but not prepared to sell kits here as they prefer to rip their own Aussies off

[wizlb]

wazr32gtst>work for APS by any chance?

I do not work for APS.

I know them from the states where they are very big.

I did no that about APS my experience with was good but in the states.

[scathing]

Has our forum try to build a relationship with APS?

I insulted Peter Luxon (well, not Peter directly but one of his employes and his company) once on another forum, does that count?

But, in seriousness, Peter isn't all that bad in person. The biggest problem is that he's got a low tolerance to bullshit coupled with a strong belief in his own product (neither thing being inherently wrong, in my opinion) so he comes across as arrogant, especially when it comes to the retail side of things.

If it wasn't for the American market, there wouldn't be an APS twin turbo kit available for our cars. When he developed the kit, the car was new. Australia's market for the 350Z wasn't that big, certainly not enough to justify the R&D costs involved in making a product as polished as the APS TT. Not even the Japanese market would have been enough to cover the costs and make it profitable, since those guys tend to have the same Not Made Here mentality for their domestic product that the US have for theirs. Being that two cars (the Z33 and V35) could run practically the same kit also made it viable to develop for the US market.

Also, quite a few people buying a AUD$65K car in this country don't really want to sink another $15K into mods. Its gotten better now, and with the price of Z33s and V35s dropping there might be a market for it. People buying a car that expensive also tend to want it done right; sell the kit to let any grease monkey install it and f**k it up still reflects badly on the kit, even though its an installer problem. In the US the Z33 starts at USD$20K and tops out at $35K (+ options), so its a lot more "affordable" over there and the owners tend to be younger and more willing to do those kinds of mods. Given how expensive labour is (a dude got charged USD$100 to swap out a set of brake pads, and thought that was cheap!) the DIY culture is also a lot bigger in the US than Australia, which is also why they'll sell the product in kit form rather than through an agent like they do down here.

However, because of the aforementioned "bullshit tolerance" APS has pretty much dropped out of retail work. I heard, from Peter, about his last retail customer that just frustrated him enough to give up on dealing direct to the public and it made me glad I don't do retail work anymore. Its a sad state of affairs, but if we're going to act like pricks then expect some people to take their bat and ball and just not want to deal with the great unwashed.

You can still get their kits fitted by their agents, but since they don't cover the entire country it means some Australians have to ship their cars to Sydney or Melbourne to get the job done. However, it is the only kit that will easily pass an engineer's cert, and the cost on the quote is all you have to pay as the kit is "complete". If you have your own mechanic that you trust to do an install as major as the TT kit, and you don't want to go through APS' agent, its actually cheaper to buy the kit from the US and just ship it back down here. The only thing you need to do is get custom exhaust manifolds, or try securing a set of APS RHD manifolds somehow.

I don't work for APS either but I've had a couple of long chats with Peter Luxon, back when he was a lot more interested in the 350Z market (he's gone off it now, pretty much, so I haven't spoken to him in the last year or two), and heard his side of the story.

Edited August 27, 2007 by scathing

[scathing]

why not get a single garret turbo.. rated at 700hp and increase by alot?

The power delivery with the TT is also amazingly smooth. To drive, it feels like a stock S15 or RB25DET. There's a small swell from under 3000RPM and the power comes on gradually. It just feels like you're driving a big NA engine.

The light-switch ramp of a boosted car does feel pretty cool, but the APS kit feels like it could be OEM (aside from the flutter). Depending on your desires, you may prefer that.

[russky]

I don't APS exhaust sound. Haven't heard anything that fascinating and raving about APS turbo system either. I think its a reliable option from what I've heard.

[scathing]

I don't APS exhaust sound. Haven't heard anything that fascinating and raving about APS turbo system either. I think its a reliable option from what I've heard.

Its reliable, streetable and complete. And pretty much ADR compliant, so it'll pass engineering without your installer needing to "tweak" it.

If you wanted an OEM TT car, the APS is the best option. Aside from the flutter, it sounds like it rolled off the factory production line.

Its also pretty scalable. Its barely working the turbos and pipework at 280rwkW (although it does max out the fuel system and internals), so with an uprated fuel system and internals you could easily see more than 300rwkW without having to replace stuff in the kit that you already paid good money for.

[gadget1382]

A guy i know recently had the TT kit put onto his 350Z. We both work around the corner from APS.

Yes they are difficult to deal with, but only if you dont look like your made of money. I dont have a car that looks worthy of their kit so the guy i spoke to (i think Peter) wasnt interested. Mainly as it's for a VQ30det that i'm going to be putting into a track gazelle and I was only after components within the kit, rather than the kit it'self to make a VQ30dett.

They guy i know however came in, 2 weeks later dropped his 350 off, and a week later picked it up. I'm not sure on the end price, but i'd say it would be in the $10-15k category. He's now needing to upgrade brakes as a result It's definately a pro install and that's why i wanted the components! Oh well. Looks like HKS will be getting my money instead.

It's amazing what can happen if you give off the odor of $$$$$$$$$