Harmonic Balancers

[sic200]

just want people's oppinions and experiences... who's using ross and who's using ati balancers? any problems, spitting belts etc.? problems fitting up? etc. i'd rather go to the ross balancer... simply because there cheaper, are there any advantages to going the ati?

[T04GTR]

the ati one is documented to acually reduse crank whip.

[T04GTR]

and heres the comparison with other "performance dampers..

notice why its important to have a good balancer when going for revs....

[T04GTR]

and its this twisting motoin that kills oil pumps. and on some old engines breaks cranks

[Bliksem]

pretty sure ATI only make RB26 dampers though

[Al]

There is a 600hp ATI balancer, which is obviously cheaper than the 1000hp. I paid about $600 for my ATI 600hp balancer, as i do not intend to make more than 350rwkw on my car.

[r33_racer]

1000hp ATI damper here.

[Scooby]

There is a 600hp ATI balancer, which is obviously cheaper than the 1000hp. I paid about $600 for my ATI 600hp balancer, as i do not intend to make more than 350rwkw on my car.

is that cutting it a bit fine? 350 x 1.34 = 469 rwhp. what drivetrain loss are you expecting? just curious because i'd have an ATI by now if it wasn't for the cost of the bigger one.

[The Dan]

The ATI are obviously the better balancer but the new ROSS balancers are a very good unit. Especially for under $500 (unless of course it's a GTR). Even then you can use a GTR balancer, you just need to change to larger belts.

Things have come a long way in the performance industry in the last 2-3 years and even moreso in the last 12 months. Either balancer is going to see you safely through to 9k. I know of just as many people running ATI as ROSS and none have any complaints on either one. All are over 400rwhp, 2 over 600.

[2BNVS]

600rwhp here and i have had no dramas with my ross balancer...rb26/30

ben...

[GTS-t VSPEC]

I have the 1000hp ATI balancer, and have a 600hp ATI balancer (new) for sale if interested

[sic200]

yeh sorry peeps... shoulda made it more clear.. it is for an rb26. to be honest i haven't priced either through my supplier, but have just done some internet research, and the ross ones seem to be atleast 300 cheaper then the ati. i don't intend to make 1000hp, i won't push it much further then 500@wheels.. and i know of plenty of cars still using the standard balancer at that power(if its good enough for 2BNVS to make 600rwhp, then it'll b ok for 500!). but... my engine didn't come with one.. so its just an excuse to buy a better one ATI seems to be the go, but if the ross is substantially cheaper i think i'll go with that. thanks for everyone's 2c. muchly appreciated

Edited September 3, 2007 by sic200

[Swiper the Fox]

1000hp ATI damper here.

Yep same here...comparing ATI to Ross is like comparing a merc to a mini.

[2rismo]

Powerbond also make balancers for the whole RB range. Australian too.

[femno]

Ive heard only good things about the Ross units, and ive just placed and order for one too, planning to make 400 at all 4 tho..

Slide on here has them for 529 delivered im pretty sure.

[Al]

is that cutting it a bit fine? 350 x 1.34 = 469 rwhp. what drivetrain loss are you expecting? just curious because i'd have an ATI by now if it wasn't for the cost of the bigger one.

My rb30det will have a GT3076 hanging off the side. With all my performance parts, i am looking at anything between 300-330rwkw. The 600hp balancer is more than enough, and i wouldn't be surprised if the balancers are "underrated" to ensure a minimum of 600hp capacity.

Also i am sure that if people are able to run big HP figures using the std balancer, then even if i exceed over 600hp, the ATI balancer would still perform better than the factory one; Or would other problems (unknown to myself) occur ??

If i assume a 20% drivetain loss: (Is this too low an assumption?)

600hp x 0.73 = 438kw (at the crank)

438kw x 0.80 = 350.4rwkw

[Beer Baron]

Yep same here...comparing ATI to Ross is like comparing a merc to a mini.

i thought you had a ross balancer? I guess you made the switch? which makes you well qualified to ask which is better!

[N I B]

No problems with the Ross GTR balancer.

[sic200]

ok... so next question.. if you have had an ross balancer and switched to a ati one... what difference's did you notice? ie. what comparison have you done to be able to say the ross balancer is cheese, and the ati one is the cheese? are there the 2 different types in the ross brand also? ie a 600hp version, and a 1000hp version? or just the one size fits all...

[BOOSTA]

We sell plenty of ross and ati balancers at work.... for alot of RB26's!

You can't really compare Ross to Ati balancers, as said its like comparing a VS SS to a R32 GTR in track performance. The Ross and ATI balancers are both made for very different setups and applications.

Ati are and always will be a top end balancer, High punishment, long lasting and just made to a much better quality.

Ross balancers are great for minimal to medium amounts of abuse, random track days etc, but if you've spent considerable amounts of cash on your RB26 you shouldn't go past the ATI units, there not cheap but when you see the quality you understand!

Most of the High HP GTRS use the ATI Super Dampner 1000HP balancers... but the 600HP ones are great for track cars, drift and just plain tough street cars..