Rb26/30 In A Gemini Or Corolla

[dangerous_daveo]

As said, if you want to do it you can. Just how much time and money you have.

That said one of my mates has a 1GGTE with a big single on it in a gemini, 6 inches cut out of the firewall... It is fast tho. Very fast. Another had a gemini with a rodeo 2.6L in it (4cyl), and that had a single turbo set up, then a twin, then back to a single. Both those 2 were tidy. Only the 1g was legal tho.

I've seen a few 1GGTEs in corollas as well, although they do go in to coronas a bit easier apparently. All pretty rough.

And I have seen a 1jzgte in a 73/4 celica or something. Kinda tidy, just kept breaking stuff due to how it was mounted etc. As far as I remember they couldnt really come up with a better way, so it just keeps breaking stuff.

All very tight fits, I dont know how you would go with an rb30det/t. I just think the lenght and hight might be too much to fit it all in.

If you just want to go fast, go the 1G, they are a cheap and very tough motor.

[jippa3000]

yes cut and boxed the the firewall, also built a custom alloy dash for it. If im over at his workshop over the long weekend ill snap some pics.

Wicked thanks heaps, I would loove to see how he did it.

Cheers

[Scotsman]

Do it man.... Don't listen to the non believers.

Then tell me what's involved so I can copy.

I've always been keen to do the 13B conversion into my gem.

[swanny180]

swanny180, sorry to jump the gun mate I know a lot idiots jump on here and ask outrageous questions but I can assure you im not one of those dreamers. I have never played with RB engines and nether have my mates so we were just asking if anyone has don't thissort of thing before. Cheers

Yeah not at all your fault mate Glad you understand what Im saying.

If youre serious about doing it then I 110% look forward to seeing the end result, because an RB30/26 powered gem or rolla would be pure insanity

Assuming you do go with this idea, one thing to consider (Im really not sure about it personally) would be what gearbox you plan to use, and how much the tunnel would need to be modified/chopped out and replaced completely to get it to work...

I wouldnt imagine that geminis or corollas would have a huge amount of transmission tunnel space?

[krzysiu]

Engineering is over rated...

Its muppets like you who go about illegal and unsafe engine conversions that are destroying it for people like me who do it all legit.

Let alone driving cars that are beyond dangerous because you dont understand whats involved.

Didnt you have the RB25 in your car before and it wasn't engineered? The only reason you are doing it legit now with the rb26 was because you got ass reemed half way to hell

lol

[700HP-GTR33]

Do it man.... Don't listen to the non believers.

Then tell me what's involved so I can copy.

I've always been keen to do the 13B conversion into my gem.

20B would be better...

Not that I know a lot about conversions.

Is the idea like it has always been......slap a 6 or small 8 into a car designed to take a 4?

Why is a gemini a choice in the first place?

Is it because it has a large engine bay?

Is it because they are cheap?

Are we just looking at a light weight car and shoving the biggest donk into it because we can?

Reason why I ask these questions is...I personally would choose a different car.

Why not a Jag or BMW?....Or a Saab?

Quite frankly I would like some of these cars benefit from a little more horse power :laughing-smiley-014:

[m3gtr]

Can i just ask, why are you planning to do such a thing? You wont make anything off the car provided you can keep up with the maintenance and hassles from government and law enforcement authorities not to mention the average street hack with a 2 cents for everything, heck you havent even mentioned how much you think its going to cost. You seem to or are coming across as having deep pockets but for what..? Individuality? sorry bud, thats over rated. And in which car? A gemini?? ...hmmm..

the last vivid memory i have of a gemini was me hanging off the bonnet with my mate whipping 360s at an insane speed. Somehow i walked away. I learnt from that and the last i heard of that car it was being pushed off a cliff...

sorry bra, but the amount of money you are likely to spend will be enough for you to buy a bonafide 32 or 33 GTR without the screwing around.

Makes complete sense to me and sorry if you dont like it but a gemini does not.

Your money though! :worship:

on a bright side it looks like nismoid has finally stopped wanking himself on his avatar and coming across as a fake irishman ( unless, to be sure, he actually is! ) after 10 years and thousands of complaints...

Edited September 26, 2007 by m3gtr

[Phantom32]

I'M ALL IN FOR THE IDEA

its good to see people pushing the boundaries of what can/can't or has been done and a 26/30 in a gemmi would make for a hell of a lot of fun.

can't imagine it would be cheap nor easy, but f*k....if you and your mates are crazy and keen...go for your life. Be prepared to dig deep for money and panadols tho...sounds like its gonna cost a lot and give you some killer headaches~!

make sure you keep us updated on the progress and post a vid on youtube if you do finally end up doing it.

traction.....what traction?

[anfo]

always good to see people pushing limits, definately go for it dude got the money got the time, hell whats stopping ya? get to work!!

but yeah! keep us all posted!

[TTT]

Gemini's are crap.

IF you want idea's, then I say go for an E30 series BMW

buy an Aristo halfcut

glue the two together.

or even easier would be a MX73 Cressida with either 1J or 2J.

1J or 2J engines would be a better platform for a crazy "that shouldn't be in there" conversion.

BMW's have the exhaust on the drivers side of the engine bay.

1J/2J engines are the same (have the turbos on the drivers side)

RB's have their hot bits on the passenger side.

This shape Beema

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...W-E30-coupe.jpg

if you get a 6 cylinder one (anything over 318 models) then it's already got a straight six in it (sure mounted on a slight angle but that's no problem for this sort of conversion)

or if you got more money an E36 beema

http://images.paultan.org/uploads/2006/03/emodel_e36.jpg

MX73 cressida

http://www.ridejudge.com/rides/00038650.jpg

or slightly more monies..

MX83 cressida

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p118/bi...31236186114.jpg

Here is an MX73 that one of the liberty RS club guys put a 2J in to..

as you can see, it's faster than Victor Bray

Edited September 26, 2007 by GTST

[jippa3000]

Hey all, good to see some positive feedback for once. Still tossing up on what motor (RB for sure) but it will be in a gemi or a rolla (easy to source and if we stuff it we can always get another one).

Gearbox, if we have to cut the tunnel then we have to cut the tunnel no biggy, its not going to be registered. The Gtr gearboxes aren't really that big anyway, might be around the same size as V6 Commodore Auto.

m3gtr - I already have a GTR pal and so does about 10 other ppl I know but NO one I know or dont know has a gemi/rolla with an RB26 or RB25 in it.

700HP-GTR33 - I did go for the gemis and rolla because they are cheap and easy to find. I have thought about doing things to bemmers but they are to hard to get stuff for and plus they are quite heavy due to all the LUXARY features. Jag are also much to heavy for what I want it for.

[Abo Bob]

Can i just ask, why are you planning to do such a thing? You wont make anything off the car provided you can keep up with the maintenance and hassles from government and law enforcement authorities not to mention the average street hack with a 2 cents for everything, heck you havent even mentioned how much you think its going to cost. You seem to or are coming across as having deep pockets but for what..? Individuality? sorry bud, thats over rated. And in which car? A gemini?? ...hmmm..

the last vivid memory i have of a gemini was me hanging off the bonnet with my mate whipping 360s at an insane speed. Somehow i walked away. I learnt from that and the last i heard of that car it was being pushed off a cliff... :P

sorry bra, but the amount of money you are likely to spend will be enough for you to buy a bonafide 32 or 33 GTR without the screwing around.

Makes complete sense to me and sorry if you dont like it but a gemini does not.

Your money though! :D

on a bright side it looks like nismoid has finally stopped wanking himself on his avatar and coming across as a fake irishman ( unless, to be sure, he actually is! ) after 10 years and thousands of complaints...

Summernats and Autosalon don't make sense either but they're popular.

I like the ideas of bmw or saab or something else a little different. I mean we've been seeing crazy engine conversions in gemini's and corollas for as long as I can remember. I remember a nice red corolla with a supercharged 350 chev in it from summernats in about 1992. It's been done again many more times. I guess the 26/30 would be a bit different but I have been to these things for a while.

I'm thinking it might be easier with a straight RB26 due to the height of the thing.

What about an early 90's lancer? A Honda Accord? Early 80's celica? Ford Escort Sundowner? N14 Pulsar?

[Warpspeed]

The trouble is, that engineers and the registration people, and the police, do not like to see young guys put overpowered engines into crappy little cars, knowing they are going to drive like idiots. So you say I am not going to break the law. But why do you need such a dangerously overpowered car to drive around at 60 Kmh ?

Yeah sure we know you are doing this just for the technical challenge, and will never street race it or drive irresponsibly.

You have three choices.

Forget about street registering it and build a proper drag car.

Modify the car illegally. The first little accident, or the first random breath test, you are going to get ass reamed by the police.

Build a legal high power to weight ratio vehicle, such as a proper hot rod.

But you don't want to spend forty grand building a well engineered supercharged big block tube framed fibreglass hot rod.

You want to put a cheap high powered turbo engine in a shit box and street race it. Or as you say, have some fun.

Good luck, I am sure you will get what you deserve.

[R31Nismoid]

Didnt you have the RB25 in your car before and it wasn't engineered? The only reason you are doing it legit now with the rb26 was because you got ass reemed half way to hell

lol

ummm no.

The RB25 was fully engineered. Its not the reason i was going RB26.

[funkymonkey]

there's a few people doing these swaps...

the first thing that came to mind was the 2JZ AE86 corolla

More from that article:

http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/images/articles/hpi12_trueno1.jpg

http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/images/articles/hpi12_trueno2.jpg

http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/images/articles/hpi12_trueno3.jpg

http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/images/articles/hpi12_trueno4.jpg

as for engineering... bleh, engineering is overrated... the VASS who signed off an RB26 in a 180SX I took to him didn't even check to see if the brakes met the requirements for the powerband (are CA18 brakes suffient for an RB26?). Its all about how they feel about your car, there's nothing scientific to it. The only thing they can do is make sure that your car meets ADRs and emissions.

[TTT]

he already said not for street.

but obviously some people didn't see that from their high horses.

[NickR33]

I like the beemer idea... but if you have to use a Gemini make the 26/30 n/a!

if nothing else it would sound wicked... and look cool with 6 little intakes

[jippa3000]

Thanks GTST, I dont know what drugs Warpspeed is on but maybe he should read the posts before adding something.

funkymonkey that thing is awesome, thats exactly the kind of sleeper im after. So is that an early model supra engine? It looks quite small or is the turbo just huge,haha.

Thanks for all the ideas people it is really making things easier with the more options.

I looked at a few beemers but I can get gemi and rollas for like 200 bucks, the beemers are all around the 5g's mark so I think I might stay with the little shit boxes at the mo.

[funkymonkey]

You should PM Autotrust on the forum, he's not as active, but back in the day he used to do some crazy things with gemmy's. He's in the SE burbs too and loves a yarn about gemmys.

The 2JZ in the AE86 is out of a 1993 supra I think (not sure) but its a late model engine anyways. They cost about $2500 with an auto gearbox, manual gearboxes are rare and expensive. The engine's actually bigger than an RB26, its a 3.0L... its just that the turbo's huge. If you want a toyota engine, then I'd look at a 1JZ turbo engine, which you should be able to pick up with a manual gearbox for around $2500.

The big issue with gemmy's and inline 6 engines is that the firewall needs to be modified. If you wanna do a nissan engine, then jam a VG30DETT engine in there... 3.0L twin turbo, heaps of torque. They're not as long as an RB so you should be able to get away with not modifying the firewall.

[Richie33]

A mate of mine bought a Gemi with an SR20 making around 240rwkw. He didn't build it so it didn't cost him heaps (but heaps for a gemi) but it came with $10K+ of receipts for engine internals etc. Words can't describe how dangerous this car is (or is that fun). Brakes and suspension designed in the 70s for a car with around 50kw being driven by more power than most of our skylines. It's so illegal he hasn't even tried to get it registered, every now and again he get a temporary permit to get it to the track.

I'd like to put a 1JZ in a TA22 Celica, but I'm not a mechanic. I wouldn't try any of this crazy conversion stuff unless you are a mechanic (or have some close by)

Good luck to ya mate