Tsukuba Race Prep (all Finished, Some Vids & Pics ) !

[MountainRunner]

Congrats guys on a great result in Japan. Its good to see Australians stepping up to the plate and doing so well first time out.

Roy - I'm glad you like my rules, I have adjusted to seat rule as it must not have read clear. I just meant car must have 2 front seats, race and stock is fine.

Russ - I have made that booking for 2 full consecutive days at QR in September as discussed with you before you went to Japan. We will have to have a sit down soon and work out the QLD plan for this event.

On a side note, I have started a tyre register for my series next year. Everyone may not agree where each tyre goes (street or open) but there will be no confusion on the day.

Paul

[giant]

Congrats guys on a great result in Japan. Its good to see Australians stepping up to the plate and doing so well first time out.

Roy - I'm glad you like my rules, I have adjusted to seat rule as it must not have read clear. I just meant car must have 2 front seats, race and stock is fine.

Russ - I have made that booking for 2 full consecutive days at QR in September as discussed with you before you went to Japan. We will have to have a sit down soon and work out the QLD plan for this event.

On a side note, I have started a tyre register for my series next year. Everyone may not agree where each tyre goes (street or open) but there will be no confusion on the day.

Paul

cool mate sounds good! talk to you soon, catch with you hopefully soon after christmas

[hrd-hr30]

good luck with this Russ I hope you keep up the momentum and enthusiasm and make it happen.

One suggestion I think you should consider is to run it under CAMS classes (with only 1 change):

Production Cars

Improved Production (but no restrictor)

Sports Sedans.

Some good reasons for this include:

Ready made competitors out there

Regs for each class have been trashed out over the years by competitors including the sneakiest cheaterers you can imagine.

Cars used for the Oz time attack would still be legal for other competitions (CAMS sprints and racing).

You can get insurance and track hire for the event because permits can be obtained through cams

Scrutineers, Stewards, CoC etc are all available.

Until last year 4wd was banned in Sports Sedans, it is now allowed. And production cars has just been opened up to allow things like aftermarket bushes etc.

I think that's a good idea. It saves the headache of making your own rules, and anyone who has done any sort of actual motorsport is already familiar with the categories.

You'd probably also want to allow aftermarket arms with rod-ends/rosejoints/bearings in Improved Prod as well- alot of late model JDM stuff run them, and you don't want a fast street car being in Sport Sedans just because they have an adjustable arm or two.

Edited December 13, 2007 by hrd-hr30

[ferni]

But Marcov's, JFK and Penno's cars I'd say were open class. Actually you could add Newtons new car to that list as well (and none of them are street registered). But I'd say mine, Jacks, Aarons, Franks, Scotsmans and Benno's cars would be street class. (for those that know them all)

How about a class for people who drive their car to work everyday? Actually don't bother I win that already

But yeah I agree with snowys classifications above. Jack, Aaron, Snowy, Scotsman etc.. similar cars to mine, and I manage to drive it to work everyday.

[Duncan]

yeah I agree Harry - adjustable OK and no restrictors is all you need, and that pretty much matches the Tas "Targa" class and the WA "street sedans" or whatever they call them.

really most cars would fit into IP, only the really full on cars with extra aero, lightweight panels etc would be forced into sports sedans.

I just think you will limit actual competitor numbers (not just internet talkers) if the regs only apply for this competition

[Sydneykid]

I'm in, just make sure it doesn't clash with a CAMS NSW State Championship round. I don't care what the regs are, we'll have a blast anyway. Oran Park GP circuit would be nice. I think we can round up some sponsorship pretty easily and get a magazine or two interested.

Cheers

Gary

[phunky_monkey]

I just think you will limit actual competitor numbers (not just internet talkers) if the regs only apply for this competition

I really don't think it will, as if you take a look at the rules for the Rev Speed challenge, they're VERY loose. Most classes you've mentioned will be able to run, so long as they run R compounds.

I like the looseness of the rules, it has worked for Japan!

[Scotsman]

Firstly let me say "Well Done Guys" Just getting the car over there and competeing is excellent, but to put down sub 1min lap is so fast for a 1st try. I love that vid, makes me want to spent more money that I dont have.

In regards to this suggested competition you might find some usefull information here: SAU-VIC Motorsport

This is basically our rules and regs for the SAU-Vic motorsport championship, which seems to work pretty well. For this comp thou you would probably add a class and have a standard, modified, and race class (race class being slicks, or cage, or stripped cars)

Especially check out post#3 in regards to tyre ratings. Snowy and I have put a bit of work into these classes and tyres that are considered 'R' compound, and you may be able to use some information or pick bits that might be suitable to this comp.

Also add me to the keen list.

[giant]

thanks for all the suggestions!

i hope we can get all these good cars together and racing,

thanks scotsman for the link, need to have a good set up for the tyre issue.

yes we willl definately not be making it to confusing for class entry , very basic rules and classes!

from what i've seen most of the improved production stuff will more than be able to hold there own especially with restrictors removed!

cant wait! good to hear we all want something like this.

more news to come after christmas.

[260DET]

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In regards to this suggested competition you might find some usefull information here: SAU-VIC Motorsport

This is basically our rules and regs for the SAU-Vic motorsport championship, which seems to work pretty well. For this comp thou you would probably add a class and have a standard, modified, and race class (race class being slicks, or cage, or stripped cars)

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Reading those requirements, roll cages must be CAMS approved??? You do realise that in some places a road registered car is not legal with a full cage, CAMS approved or not? And that CAMS don't approve half cages. Which means you are excluding cars with half cages. Why??????????

[Duncan]

260DET I think you will find the problem is that a cage that is not CAMS approved is not legal for any CAMS event. ie CAMS say you should run no cage not an unapproved one

[giant]

cages would be optional but highly recommended, open class cars at tsukuba , cages were optional!!

[Sydneykid]

This bit I am not keen on;

race class (race class being slicks, or cage, or stripped cars)

Slicks = race class - no problems, it's primary task is a go faster mod.

Stripped = race class - no problems, it's primary task is a go faster mod.

Cage = race class - PROBLEM, it's primary task is driver safety.

I don't think you should end up in the race class just because you want to be safe.

Cheers

Gary

[giant]

This bit I am not keen on;

Slicks = race class - no problems, it's primary task is a go faster mod.

Stripped = race class - no problems, it's primary task is a go faster mod.

Cage = race class - PROBLEM, it's primary task is driver safety.

I don't think you should end up in the race class just because you want to be safe.

Cheers

Gary

yes i agree with that, especially when it doesnt make you go faster, just adds weight

[Downforce]

i also agree, cages shouldn't put a car in "race" class. cages do add weight. primary purpose is safety.

however worth noting - as they also add rigidity, helping the suspension do it's job better, therefore improving handling, which accounts for faster laps.. so indirectly, a cage can make you go quicker

[Stupid Toyota]

IMO items that are safety related shouldn't relegate the car to race only class.

Yes a cage will help improve times, but the primary purpose of it is to protect the driver. Im sure nobody likes seeing a car hit the wall, but if the driver gets killed due to lack of cage in order to fit in a class then Im sure the event organisers and all around would feel a lot worse about it.

Cages SHOULD be encouraged. Its a speed event, with walls involved if you get it wrong.

Safety should always be paramount.

Harness's should be encouraged, extinguishers, proper seats, appropriate clothing etc etc.

Street class should be street legal AND street registered. No point calling it a street class otherwise...

Race class, everything else that isnt legal or isnt registered.

You can legally have a bolt in cage in a street car.

You cant run side pipes and no mufflers.

Look at things from a realistic perspective, use a tyres ratings to split them in the class rules and then concentrate on having fun.

The last thing anybody wants or needs is a rule book that requires a lawyer to understand and a spare month to read through.

[N1GTR]

looking at EC or oran park needs to be reasonably tight track and nice and short

russ

OP GP or EC or PI in that order - seeing as OP wont be around forever

tell me about it roy! i watched the mspeed gtr stick on six full sets of brand new rubber for three sessions!! haha

duly noted! somehow costs need to be controlled maybe we should have a controlled class so that every driver has the opportunity to do well.

As far as tyres go, how about having either a width or a life span limit

Eg

No wider than 255/anything/anything for race class and no wider than 235/anything/anything for street class - or similar

Then limit each "team/entrant" to 6 tyres for the event, that should really keep costs down and make the playing field more even

Even though Im a slow driver, Chris

Quoted just for the future cause you'll never say that again!

Definatly interested in this by the way!

[Roy]

Reading those requirements, roll cages must be CAMS approved??? You do realise that in some places a road registered car is not legal with a full cage, CAMS approved or not? And that CAMS don't approve half cages. Which means you are excluding cars with half cages. Why??????????

I suggest you do some more reading, in NSW and Vic cars can be registered with a cage, a half cage makes it easier. I assume all states are the same? A full cage can still be legal in a registered car but much more care is required...and cost. AND of course CAMS approve half cages! Where did you hear that they dont. Certain classes of racing dictate that more then a half cage is required, but no where does CAMS state that a half cage can not be approved for use in motorsport, provided that the class you are racing in doesnt outlaw it. For instance the cage requirements for a tarmac rally car differes to V8 Supercar, to ARC car to Improved Prod car to Production car racing and hill climb cars.

As for limiting the tyre width, I think that would be a very bad idea. Big cars have big rims/tyres from the factory for a reason. They need it. They would be dangerous on a smaller tyre.

[Roy]

And one more question for you Giant. How much difference do you think the Ohlins make to the car over a sinlgle lap at Wakefield? So assuming you ran the car back to back with the same cage and engine combo, only you changed back to the Super Street...how much different do you think there is in the outright pace of the car?

[evil_weevil]

Was going to say...Ive seen a fair few cars with half cages at CAMS events. And alot are registered and engineered also with half and full cage set ups.

steve - yeah not sure about your tyre comments!

and yes I am slow and you know it