Tsukuba Race Prep (all Finished, Some Vids & Pics ) !

[260DET]

On the time attack/sprint rules, I'm involved in organising the sprints at Morgan Park for the '09 Nissan Datsun Nationals. So I've given rules a bit of thought and talked with others about them, with the following conclusions.

Most importantly they have to be simple and unambiguous. That is the first priority. Then it has to be realised some people will spend whatever it takes to win no matter how detailed and complete the rules are. There is nothing wrong with that at all, it just has to be realised that rules will not stop people spending lots of money.

Basically I'm thinking of dividing classes according to tyres, 4WD, full roll cage, rear wing and number of non standard body panels, although perhaps that last one makes things too complicated. If there were three classes, say Road, Club and Race, a 4WD car with a wing could go in the Race class, irrespective of what tyres etc it did or did not have. Thats an example of how the Class structure could be worked out, not a suggestion as to how GTR's should be classified

Anyway, for what it is worth there it is.

EDIT: Obviously engine capacity with a turbo corrector would be relevant too.

Edited December 29, 2007 by 260DET

[Downforce]

Adding in engine capacity division between classes is too hard to regulate, too easy to cheat. As for putting a car into race class for having a wing, that's a bit crazy - what about other aero such as undertrays and front splitters? Do you count them as well? So take a stock 4WD car (i.e. Evo, GTR) with aftermarket wing, under those rules it would be in race class. Not exactly fair.

Keep it simple, make it fun. I'm sure Russ will come up with a good formula to run the proposed event.

Although I do agree that whatever the rules, if people want to win they'll pump alot of $$$$ into a car and put a decent driver behind the wheel

[Roy]

Raises an interesting point. Does the owner have to punt the vehicle or car he get a dial a driver ? I hope the owner has to punt it...no fun if professionals start being given the keys

[N1GTR]

Owner driver for sure!

[swanny180]

Street class - owner drives

Race class - if anyone else drives

[Sydneykid]

Street class - owner drives

Race class - if anyone else drives

So if SoSK drives my road car he gets chucked into "race" class? But I get to stay in "road" class? Sounds OK to me but I don't think he will like it much

Cheers

Gary

[Beer Baron]

yes you are definitely street class gary, and matt could well be race class. I am most certainly "All Class".

[Sydneykid]

yes you are definitely street class gary, and matt could well be race class. I am most certainly "All Class".

Arse Class perhaps

Cheers

Gary

[Beer Baron]

no fatz and duncan have a monopoly on that one... hehe. ok, maybe I'll be in "no class"....

[Duncan]

my car is owned by a company and what makes a driver professional ("p plates" maybe?)

like I said a while back, just use slightly modified CAMS rules. people have already spent years trying to poke holes in those rules

[Roy]

If you own the car then fine, it doesnt matter what licence you hold. (Steve Richards in his Escort at Dutton a few years back) But if he is driving my car then ...

Stands to reason that if you are handing your keys to someone else then its because they will go quicker then you. Owners should be driving the cars....thats just my 2c

[swanny180]

If you own the car then fine, it doesnt matter what licence you hold. (Steve Richards in his Escort at Dutton a few years back) But if he is driving my car then ...

Stands to reason that if you are handing your keys to someone else then its because they will go quicker then you. Owners should be driving the cars....thats just my 2c

Agreed

Dont see why someone else should be driving other than the owner unless they expect them to be faster

Edited January 4, 2008 by swanny180

[ZENNON]

id let my brother and my friend have a go......

[fatz]

i can offer my services on your car barron

garentee i can beat your time or at least back it into a wall properly!

[Duncan]

fact is, anyone who drives the car that is not the owner is faster. its one of those immutable laws of the universe

[Roy]

I go against that law. I drive other ppls cars with way more respect then i do my own car. Drop the revs, slower gear changes, dont ride the kerbs as hard. Then there is just the plain old fear of binning someone elses car if i am having a real go like i do in my own car, or far more likely, something braking. The old theory of all care no responsibility? I would feel compelled to fix the car even if it was just one of those things or poor maintenance on behalf of the owner,

[fatz]

fact is, anyone who drives the car that is not the owner is faster. its one of those immutable laws of the universe

lol so true

except for uncle dunk

[Beer Baron]

i can offer my services on your car barron

garentee i can beat your time or at least back it into a wall properly!

you can probably do both. i am on a strict no concrete diet from now on though. so if you plan on sending it in backwards at least make it to the tyres like troy.

[evil_weevil]

Hey Russ,

Any news/updates or anything for the lap challenge?

Cheers,

Chris!

[giant]

INFO TO COME VERY SOON!! SHOULD BE GREAT

Edited January 15, 2008 by giant