A Day In Germany With The Gt-r Engineers

[dan_the_man]

I don't understand why you keep saying DSG elimates heel toe? why would it? heel toe is just as valid with a DSG or other sequential box. and it's still useful.

lol thats the first time I have mentioned it.

2 pedals instead of 3... why would you need to heel - toe? you just use one foot on each pedal instead of your right on the brake & accelerator and your left on the clutch

Unless you are refering to the outcome of heel toeing which is still the same only the process is a little different

[dan_the_man]

dont ever consider yourself a driver if you cant do it.

you seem to think DSG is going to take over the world.

driving a car is all about how involved you are. You advocating the DSG, not lamenting the loss of manual shifting shows me you may not care about being as involved as you can...

So going by your logic - I'm not a driver unless I can manually crank start a car because, at one point in time, that was the current technology of a vehicle?

If DSG one day becomes a norm then how driving with it and not knowing the old school techniques does not equate to not being a driver

[m3gtr]

wait a sec.

its not about having a slower or faster car. At least not for me anyway. Im a purist... is that OK with you?

soon you guys will be saying " i applaud the use of automatic driver assistance everything...all i have to do is sit there. its the way of the future..."

[m3gtr]

So going by your logic - I'm not a driver unless I can manually crank start a car because, at one point in time, that was the current technology of a vehicle?

If DSG one day becomes a norm then how driving with it and not knowing the old school techniques does not equate to not being a driver

we are talking about a clutch pedal...not a model T ford.

[djr81]

I don't understand why you keep saying DSG elimates heel toe? why would it? heel toe is just as valid with a DSG or other sequential box. and it's still useful.

Well it sort of does because the computer system that runs the DSG works out how many revs the engine needs to match the next selected gear & modulates the throttle accordingly. Therefore the driver doesn't need to bother.

[tridentt150v]

Automatics and DSG may shift faster and easier, but you can't take the gayness out of that exhaust note/sound they make when they do shift.

Good article btw.

[sh@un]

DSG's dont make 'that noise' when they shift- coz they don't have a torque converter, and the ECU has to retard the spark breifly to drop the power on an upshift.

[700HP-GTR33]

OMG...another thread that started good and ended up with...

I like DSG

I don't feel good without a clutch

I want my mummy.

Guys.....harden the f%^k up.

$80K...US..why are we gonna pay 180K(AUS)...please explain Nissan.

they might need to adjust the price to more 130K ish..

Oh by the way, the Bugatti Veyron does 0 to 100in 2.6 seconds but only goes a 1/4 mile in 12.5....

It is interesting that Nissans DSG must be slow..3.5 second..but 1/4 mile in 11.7.

Explain how DSG works again...????

I still beat them..lol....$140K less than a GTR spent.

$1650K less than a Veyron spent

0 to 100 in 4 seconds..slow I know...but I have no...what do they call it?..lol...oh DSG system

!/4 mile in 11.5

So it takes all that money to come up with this....let alone all the publicity.

Give me 100 Million and I will build you a car...oh..not Homers car...lol

[Gts-t]

Well it sort of does because the computer system that runs the DSG works out how many revs the engine needs to match the next selected gear & modulates the throttle accordingly. Therefore the driver doesn't need to bother.

i was thinking this also

[funkymonkey]

soon you guys will be saying " i applaud the use of automatic driver assistance everything...all i have to do is sit there. its the way of the future..."

you clearly haven't met any Mitsubishi Evo drivers.

[Kaido_RR]

drifters drive without power steering all the time here in japan . It increases the feel, not using a condom has the same effect.

lol

[m3gtr]

you clearly haven't met any Mitsubishi Evo drivers.

or WRX drivers for that matter...

[dan_the_man]

we are talking about a clutch pedal...not a model T ford.

I think you missed the point

[m3gtr]

I think you missed the point

i disagree.

[dan_the_man]

Lol good for you

[sh@un]

Oh by the way, the Bugatti Veyron does 0 to 100in 2.6 seconds but only goes a 1/4 mile in 12.5....

That whole post was fairly suspect- But what what's with that claim for the Bugatti?

A Veyron can easily do a 10 @ 140+mph in full factory spec.

[HotPlates]

To me, DSG would sit somewhere between driving a manual and an auto..... and autos are boring as hell. If Porsche decided to have stick shifts in their 911 turbos, then it would be a mistake for Nissan not to do the same. The GTR is more of a purists car (traditonally). Some people buy 911/996 turbos purely for the prestige and wank factor. Nissan will not have this marketing advantage, and purists will be their biggest customers.

[JieLine]

If a koneiggseggalaleg can do a 9, im guessing that a veryon could too?

[700HP-GTR33]

That whole post was fairly suspect- But what what's with that claim for the Bugatti?

A Veyron can easily do a 10 @ 140+mph in full factory spec.

BUGATTI VEYRON 16.4

Vehicle type: mid-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 2-passenger, 2-door coupe

Base price: $1,250,000

Engine type: quad-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 64-valve W-16, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection

Displacement: 488 cu in, 7998cc

Power (SAE net): 1001 bhp @ 6000 rpm

Torque (SAE net): 922 lb-ft @ 2200 rpm

Transmission: 7-speed manual with

automated shifting and clutch

Wheelbase: 106.3 in

Length/width/height: 175.8/78.7/47.5 in

Curb weight: 4300 lb

Performance ratings (C/D est):

Zero to 60 mph: 2.9 sec

Zero to 100 mph: 6.0 sec

Zero to 150 mph: 11.0 sec

Zero to 200 mph: 22.0 sec

Standing 1/4-mile: 10.8 sec @ 140 mph

Top speed (observed at governor): 253 mph

Projected fuel economy (C/D est):

EPA city driving: 7 mpg

EPA highway driving: 10 mpg

Steady 253 mph: 3 mpg

Sorry my mistake(US) figures taken from http://www.bugattipage.com/ride.htm

I have noticed they said probably.

[kralster]

Get of your high horses no one gives a shit if you think a "purist" drives a stick. The new GT-R is designed to get around a racetrack fast, and it does it faster with a DSG than compared to a standard manual.